Kathy Mou

Kathy Mou is an entrepreneur, a certified health and life coach, and a mom. She shares her journey of resilience, personal growth, and the power of positivity. We talk about what endometriosis is and some warning signs to look out for. You can find Kathy Mou via her website Kathymou.com.

Transcript

Intro

Rob Valincius: Now, I think this is recording, but this hasn't given me a countdown in a long time,

Kathy Mou: I see

Rob Valincius: it, do you see it? I think it's doing it to fuck with me. Um, so, anyway, anyway, uh, this is the Drink O'Clock Podcast, uh, I'm your host, Rob Valencius, and I have the pleasure of having, now, I probably should ask you this before I hit record, Cathy Mao?

Kathy Mou: Yes. Perfect.

Rob Valincius: Let's go. I was practicing. I'm like, I think it's now. I'm just going to wing it. Uh, and you know, you got a long list of stuff here. You're an entrepreneur, you're a certified health and life coach and a, uh, a mom. So welcome to the podcast.

Kathy Mou: Thank you for having me. And I'm so honored to be here with you on this podcast and you know, giving me the space and time to even have the chance to chat with you.

Rob Valincius: Yeah, well, I mean, it also gives me an excuse to drink on Thirsty Thursday. So I don't know if you're drinking or not. Um, I won't judge you. It's, it's not a requirement here. Uh, but I feel like I have to because, uh, you know, it just, it wouldn't be the Drink O'Clock podcast if I didn't have a little bit of whiskey.

Kathy Mou: what is that? Is that an old fashioned? Or is it just

Rob Valincius: is. Oh, it's an old fashioned.

Kathy Mou: See, I know, I know the

Rob Valincius: I'm working my way, I'm working my way up to it. I'm such a pussy with whiskey. Um, and I just, I'm trying, you know. Uh, but, I've found whiskies that I really do actually like. And the old fashioned is nice because it's mostly whiskey. And it's just got a little bit of the, the sugar and stuff into it.

So it, it makes it more approachable. When I first started it was rough. Now I'm like, I'm so used to it. Uh, the wifey, when, when she smells, she's like, Oh God, keep that away from me. You know? Um, but she can drink straight vodka. So, you know, I don't, I mean, it's in her blood. She's Ukrainian. So I don't, I don't know how that works, but

Kathy Mou: Yeah, she's hardcore. The only thing I don't do is vodka, but I do everything else, and my favorite is tequila. So, I love like a pump, you know, um, like the mixed drink of the grape juice with, um, tequila. That's so good.

Rob Valincius: Uh, yeah, so, uh, I'm Puerto Rican and me and tequila,

Kathy Mou: Oh,

Rob Valincius: At the moment, the moment I have a ton, like, so, uh, I, I've mentioned this before on my podcast, but I have, I make my own margaritas from scratch, And I like to call them ra burritas,

Kathy Mou: yum!

Rob Valincius: but there's a disclaimer, Cause you can only have three, Before you blackout and sometimes you blackout at three because there's just a shit ton of booze in it Uh, and i've done it when I when I used to stream online at one time I just left and never came back and it's because I I was drinking raritas and I passed out my bed.

I just just like took my pants off and

Kathy Mou: sounds amazing.

Rob Valincius: I stayed I stayed live for 12 hours. Like my my camera was going like it was it was funny. But um This podcast is about you though. Um, you know, I And so I wanted to talk to you a little bit about, uh, your early years, you know, growing up. So talk to me a little bit about, um, you know, growing up, where'd you grow up, how'd you grow up and what kind of got you into like that coaching lifestyle that you're doing now?

Kathy Mou: Yeah, thanks for asking that. So my childhood was pretty rough. My parents immigrated. So my mom immigrated here from Vietnam. So, you know, the Vietnam War during that time. So she immigrated from Vietnam. And then my dad came here from Taiwan. And so they're both immigrants and they had to make a life for themselves here.

And the funny thing is, uh, my dad owned a American fast food restaurant. So yes, like burgers, french fries, like milkshakes. That's what we had a restaurant, um, in a white suburban town. I grew up in Morgan Hill. Yeah, so we're like, the only Chinese family making burgers, fries in a small suburban town, you know, we were down.

Yeah,

Rob Valincius: your dad I said that. Way to break the mold. You know, like he could have, he could have came in and went the easy route. I think he went the harder route, but that's the key to American's heart, man. It's just food. That's going to stop it.

Kathy Mou: yeah. So, you know, like he made a life for himself. So they actually, my parents actually met in Connecticut, which is Waterbury, Connecticut. And then they, Actually drove all the way from Connecticut to California. Then my dad found this restaurant he wanted to, yeah, make a living from. And then I grew up in, I was born and raised in, uh, Morgan Hill, actually.

So I've been in California my whole life. I, the only time I went away was when I went to college UCLA and then I came back home. Um, and then I've been in San Jose. Since then. So,

Rob Valincius: That's awesome. Yeah.

Kathy Mou: spoke Mandarin growing up. So I was the quiet kid in class. I was not confident. I was always just trying to Not be seen and it's crazy now because now I want to be seen now I'm like being able to talk to other people and who would have known that I would be even able to Speak as well as I do and I've been practicing obviously But I've come a long way and ever since I've been little though, I've always loved helping other people.

And I'm always the go to person in my friends and family to be that person, to give wisdom or just to listen to their problems. And, you know, I'm all about connecting with people and connection and making people feel better if possible. So I guess people always felt safe around me to share their personal lives or just to ask me for help or anything.

In general. So that's how my childhood kind of led me into my life purpose of life and health coaching. And, um, what really got me into my health journey though was when I went snowboarding one year and I broke my wrist, like literally broke it. And I was like, dude, I am so fragile. Something's wrong with me.

So I was like, Hmm, you know, in my twenties, I partied and like, you know, drink and did whatnot. You know, the college life, obviously. Right. And so it caught up in my mid twenties. So I was like, okay, something needs to change. So I remember when I. Turn 25. And I was like, and I broke my wrist. I was like, okay, I really need to get healthy.

Like, what is, what does healthy mean? Like my parents always cooked like Asian food, right? Like, which is a lot of

Rob Valincius: lot of carbs, a lot of carbs.

Kathy Mou: rice and noodles. But then, you know, my mom would cook like meats and vegetables as well. And then on the side we had hamburgers or French fries and stuff. So it's like kind of balanced and not, but I didn't really fully understand like what.

Health meant. So, um, during that time, paleo did, you know, the paleo diet was very, very popular. So I kind of got into that and I learned about nutrition and like health, et cetera. So that really catapulted me into being, wanting to be like a health coach. And then, um, what actually really got me going after that was when my dad passed when I was like 27, I think, I don't know what age, my tongue goes by so fast, but, or, or in my late.

Mid twenties my father passed and that really changed my life because he was the person that was Always there to like teach me life lessons like hard life lessons that I wouldn't be able to be who I am If it wasn't for him because he showed me hard work He showed me how to be a good person, even though he went through so many hard things He always gave back like always like when people couldn't afford food at home You know, at my parents burger joint, like he would give people food for free.

Like he would help people out and, you know, he would see bums and like go and help them out. So he just set a really good example and everybody knew him in town. Even the cops, like, you know, he, he was buddy buddies with everybody, which is super cute and cool. Um, but once he passed, you know, he was the rock for our family.

So I kind of took place of that for him. And. I didn't really learn to grieve and feel my emotions. I kind of like just pushed it away. But later on it like, I think, you know, emotional trauma. So I like emotional trauma trapped in my body, which led me later down the line in my 30s to find out I have infertility.

Man, I have such a story. I know, right? I'm just kidding. And my infertility

Rob Valincius: love it. This is why I do this. I love it.

Kathy Mou: Yeah. Thank you so much. So infertility, um, actually led me to finally get a diagnosis of endometriosis. And I don't know if you know what endometriosis is, but it's a chronic illness that

Rob Valincius: it was my next question.

Kathy Mou: Yes. Perfect. Yeah.

So infertility or endometriosis was the causing factor of my infertility, but. Endometriosis is a chronic illness and it causes mad inflammation in your body. It's, it just, when it gets inflamed and your reproductive areas or just any parts of your body, but mainly it's in, you know, your lower abdomen area, it feels like your insides is inflamed and you're just like in this scrunched up position, like either throwing up because you're in so much pain, can't move, you can't do anything and you just wait for it to subside.

Like there's nothing really you can do, um, which is really sad.

Rob Valincius: I have psoriasis, so I, I, I get the, uh, like, I have psoriasis pretty bad, but I take, uh, Tremphia, like, every eight weeks, so you would never tell, uh, but I get the, uh, the inflammation. Like, my body's just, I have prior arthritis, like, everywhere,

Kathy Mou: gosh. Um.

Rob Valincius: yeah, it's, it sucks. It's, it's not fun.

I, it's, you know, when you have these things and you grow up, like, I, I've had it since I was. Four, five, you know, so obviously I was, I was bullied a lot. Um, you know, that you got dandruff and it's like, no, I don't have fucking dandruff. If I had dandruff, I'd be fine, you know? Uh, but I think certain things like that, you kind of, especially if you grow with it.

Um, it's tough finding out you have that at a later age. Cause it's, I feel like, you know, I'm, I'll be 38 this year. Uh, I feel like it's harder to adjust as much. Shit. Like now I can just say, Oh, I have psoriasis, like I deal with it, blah, blah, blah. But like when I was a kid, it was harder for me to explain that to people.

So like, I'm okay with it now, but like if I got something else, like if they're like, Oh, well you, you also have this. I feel like now it's harder for me to grow with it because I'm, it's something new and you're older. You're just kind of set. I don't know. It's hard to, hard to explain, you

Kathy Mou: No, I totally get that and it's, it's harder to accept because you're like, man, now I've got more things that I got to worry about. You're like, I already had to worry about this my whole life.

Rob Valincius: Yeah. It's like, fuck, I already had other shit I was dealing with. Thank you. You know?

Kathy Mou: Yeah. But you would never tell you look, look how positive you are. Like, look how great you have like a life. your outlook in life, even though you're bullied, you know, like, I feel like the hardships in our life always leads us into being a better person because we have to grow, we have to learn, we have to be better ourselves and we do the hard work, then we show up lighter and brighter for the world, which is weird.

Rob Valincius: I couldn't agree more, but, you know, and I think that's a problem a lot of our youth is facing, though, is because everything's sunshine and rainbows, and they're not dealing with, like, actual life issues because everyone's trying to make it perfect for them. And then when they hit 18, 19, and they're facing real life, they realize, oh, fuck, you know, like, this isn't how life actually is, like, it's tough.

And, uh, I think it's harder for younger kids to adjust because They didn't have hardships at 12 or 13. And I'm not saying every kid should have to do that. But, I mean, uh, I didn't go through that when I was younger, you know, like, you know, I, I had plenty of fucked up shit and you know, I had to deal with it myself and especially as it's different to as, as a guy, because, and I don't know if you can, you know, can agree to this or not, but, um, Like as a man, as a male, it's even harder because I'm supposed to just eat it.

I'm supposed to just bite my feelings. I'm not supposed to cry. And that's the age I grew up in. Right. So it's like, it's even harder that, you know, I'm not really like that. I'm also a cancer. So, um, a little more in tune to my feelings, I think, then, then, uh, some people, but, um, You know, that's how we were brought up, especially as a guy.

So like, it's a little different now too. It's okay as a guy to cry more than it was, you know, in the early 2000s or the early nineties or whatever, you know,

Kathy Mou: think it's because it's all the shit that our generation had to, you know, put up with, and then our generation is teaching our kids, you know, something different. I guess it's just all in a different perspective, like they're more protected, they're more loved, they have more attention. More people surrounding them.

Cause, think about our parents generation. Their parents didn't give a shit about them. They're like, oh, did you die today? Okay, cool. Are you fed today? Okay, cool. You know, like, it's so different. Each generation is so different. And I see

Rob Valincius: you remember that commercial? Um, it was for our parents where it was like, where's your kid? It's 10 PM. And like, you know, is to remind them their kids are like maybe out playing with their friends, but we didn't have cell phones, at least good ones. So for a while, your parents just kind of be home by eight and you never were home by eight, you know, you'd push the limits.

You'd be home at eight, 10. Or 830 or, you know, and you, you, I think that's that dance you play with your parent, you know, uh, it's like, how much can you get away with without getting scolded? And then, you know, if you tiptoe over the line, it's like, okay, so I know I can get away with 20 minutes, but not 30.

Kathy Mou: Yeah.

Rob Valincius: play that all throughout. So it's, it's, it, I think it's a fun dynamic half the time, you know, but it's different being a parent now. Um, I'm not a parent. I have, I mean, I'm a fur baby parent. We have dogs. Um,

Kathy Mou: counts.

Rob Valincius: it

Kathy Mou: You gotta take care of them. They're a lot of work. They're a

Rob Valincius: never, they never take care of themselves. So I feel like, you know, it's when they hit 12 or 13, they're not, you know, uh, picking up their own poop, you know?

So, uh, I think it's their kids literally their entire lives, but there's so much love from a, from a dog, man. I love it.

Kathy Mou: I know. They're so beautiful, like, little beings. Um, it's just a lot of work. I was like, I have one kid, and my kid likes to talk back and be powerful, and she tests my limit every day. Literally, I have to negotiate with a 20 month year old, like a one and a half year old, who would have known? Like,

Rob Valincius: You're like, please don't cry in Target. Please, just, just, just please. Here, here, take this. You're like, you're just giving them things, you know? And it's like, nope, I'm fucking mad. I don't want to be in Target. You

Kathy Mou: Yeah, it's wild. I was like, okay, I thought maybe at two, I would start negotiating not so early, but I guess, okay, I gotta be positive, be on the positive side. I'm grateful that I have a bright little kid that knows how to, you know, she knows how to negotiate and knows what she wants. So I guess it's

Rob Valincius: Did she, she get a little of that from mom? Maybe? A

Kathy Mou: Yes,

Rob Valincius: bit.

Kathy Mou: yeah, she is. The crazy part is she, I see it. So she's pretty much like me, but she, I see that she's living the childhood that I wanted to be, or like, she's living that childhood of being strong, being able to voice her opinions and being okay with that, being emotional if she wants to, like, I wasn't able to, right?

In our age or our generation, we were suppressed. Like, you couldn't cry. You have to be perfect. You have to do all these things, you know? Especially in an Asian dynamic or family, you know, you literally have to be like the perfect minority. citizen, child, etc. Because you cannot, you know, bother your parents and my parents owned a fast food restaurant, they were so busy.

So they're like, literally, no bullshit, no BS. So no, you know, and they wouldn't, they wouldn't tolerate that. And then now I have time to tolerate my child so she can, she can be a menace if she wants to.

Rob Valincius: That's hilarious. Now, let me ask you this. So, with, uh, endometriosis, what, what are some of the challenges that people face with having it? Because I'm not too familiar with it.

Kathy Mou: So yes, um, thank you for even asking and bringing, um, this up because endometriosis actually affects one in 10 women. So a lot of women have this, but they don't know that they have it. It's really hard to get diagnosed with endometriosis. First of all, you will have these symptoms, but not a lot of people know, or not a lot of doctors in the healthcare system know how to To detect endometriosis.

So there's like about 200 worldwide, um, endometriosis specialists. And think about it. There's like millions of women who have this right disease. So all these surgeons are super, super busy, super like, you know, busy where it's even hard to get an appointment. So think about that. And then endometriosis can always come whenever, like it, it can, like, even if you go through, um, surgery to get it out.

And by the way, that's the only. thing. There's no cure for endometriosis, but the only thing and the only gold standard is to get an excision laparoscopy surgery with like specialists, um, to relieve this type of pain. And there's

Rob Valincius: What in God's name is that? Do they just scrape it out? Is that?

Kathy Mou: Yeah, pretty much. It's like, take, so a surgeon, a surgeon specialist has to literally go in and it's like, there's like lesions, little endometriosis, like, lesions and they're stuck in there.

It's kind of like pulling the root out, you know, like weeds out of Your body or your organs like it can get all over your organs too. So people think it's just Associated with like a period problem. It's not right like endometriosis can Go all in your big organs anywhere. So it affects most of the female organ, right?

But it can go anywhere else So it's a myth if they say it's just a period pain problem, if that makes sense.

Rob Valincius: No, it makes total sense.

Kathy Mou: yeah, the only way to get relief really is to get these surgeries and these surgeries are not, you know, like paid out of pocket. They're not like, covered under insurance. It's hard to detect because the healthcare system doesn't know how to detect it.

And then there's a lot of like just regular surgeons or just regular OBGYNs doing these surgeries for women, and they don't even know what they're really doing or detecting. So then that's why women would get these surgeries and then not get an outcome that they want. Or some people would get more pain after these surgeries because they're not specialists doing it.

This type of surgery, because it's, it's like having cancer, and then you're just gonna have like a, I don't know, like a brain surgeon do to get rid of your cancer, like, come on, like, you know what I mean? Like,

Rob Valincius: Yeah.

Kathy Mou: there's gonna be so many problems, because they're not specialists, so it's like, a lot of women have to deal with this, and it's hard to detect, right?

And it does cause a lot of pain, which is really sad. And luckily I haven't had pain since, um, my infertility days. And, but, you know, I had it in my teenage years too. So the sad part is women have to take birth control and that's kind of, you know, the solve all problem for us women. So it's another thing that we have to go through too.

So it's a lot.

Rob Valincius: That's tough. I mean, so is there any, um, is there any signs that you can tell listeners to

Kathy Mou: Yes. Yes. So most likely you would have these endo flares, meaning like your woman's reproductives, like feels like it's burning and you have no. Like, you don't know what it is or why it's doing that. Most likely, it's called the endofluoritis endometriosis. Um, if you have heavy periods, if you have, like, big blood clots.

Like, if you just know, like, um, something's different around your period. So, periods shouldn't be painful. It shouldn't be, like, uh, be like where you're in debilitating pain. Um, it shouldn't be, uh, like 10 days. It should be like five days, you know, just

Rob Valincius: Yeah.

Kathy Mou: certain things. And I think the one thing that people should really know is to just follow your gut because a lot of people told me that, or a lot of doctors told me that it wasn't endometriosis when I knew it was, am I?

And my soul being, I just knew I was like, it has to be, it has to be. There's no way you're telling me there isn't right. Um, and then later on I finally get the diagnosis and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I knew it. You know? So,

Rob Valincius: I don't trust doctors. And

Kathy Mou: okay.

Rob Valincius: maybe that's just like me. Look, I work in insurance, Medicare specifically. Um, so deal with, I deal with seniors all the time. Um, but I just, I don't, here's the problem. Okay. And, uh, this is my rant of the episode if you're listening. Um, We for I guess however long we've been doing medicine, right?

Hey, we've stuck with like a We we don't do a proactive approach. We do a reactive approach and Today's doctors also they're not trying to prevent diseases. They're trying to cure them, right? Um, so when you're doing the ladder, when you're, you know, you're trying to diagnose someone that's already got the disease, you're just trying to get them in and out and you're getting to the to the next patient, right?

That's how they get paid. The more patients they see, the more money they make. Um, so What our medicine system is slowly going to is the proactive and not the reactive approach where we're trying to prevent certain diseases. We're trying to get people to be healthier or, um, you know, if someone is pre diabetic, we're trying to prevent them from actually getting into, you know, diabetes, right?

You know, whether you're a type 1, type 2, whatever. Um, and Certain doctors don't give a shit, right? You go in and, and, you know, my fiancee, she just had, um, what's it called, babe? Abnormal. Ayia abnormal. Ayia abnormal. So she had a mole that was like dark, really dark and . I was telling her, ah, you're fine. It's a fucking mole.

You're fine, you're fine. And of course I'm telling her she's fine. And she's like, I know that this is something, this is something a freckle. It was a freckle, you know? So she went in, they, they, uh, biopsied it and she was like, if, if she would've left it go, it would've been skin cancer. And so. You know, she just got it removed and we've been laughing because it almost looks like like a tiny shark took a bite here, you

Kathy Mou: Oh

Rob Valincius: um, but so she had a rash around her.

So her her stitches are fine, right? Nothing in her stitches. But she's got this rash and we don't we didn't know what it was. And she was worried it was infected. I'm like, no, like, You would know if your cut's infected because we would see pus and stuff, right? But she's got these little it's almost looks like pimples around like just totally around it So we I sit around like I think you're allergic to the the band aid we were using Or you know if your skin couldn't breathe because we're also put an aquaphor It's got to be one of those things and she's sending her pictures to her doctor and her doctor's just seems like ah it almost looks like um Shingles really it's not fucking shingles, dude Like, what the hell you say?

Like, ah, I don't know. They just, they just throw shit out there because they don't really care. Um, and I, that's such an issue with, um, today's world because everyone's so quick to just give you a med. And not figure out what the root cause is, which isn't always a medicine. Um, and that's why I wanted to have you on the podcast, because I know a lot of things you do are, um, holistic.

You know, different ways to do things that don't involve, you know, the, the shit that Americans are so used to doing. Like, just give me a pill, right? That's, that's like what we're so used to.

Kathy Mou: Yeah, I know it's because, you know, it's a capitalistic type of society we live in, unfortunately, and pharmaceuticals is one of the biggest leading, you know, money making industry out there. So of course the doctors are there to just prescribe us medicine and just to take these and these things make us feel crappy like birth control.

That's what I was telling you, you know, like they give women birth control pills just to believe. Our pain, but then it causes so much other issues, right? Like it gives us weak bones. It causes, you know, like Really not understanding our body. It just literally jacks up our Hormones to be honest, and we don't see it till we get off of it So I love doing holistic approaches if I can because i'm chinese.

So then in general like You know, my ancestors, um, always did herbal medicine. So I'm always like into that. I've always been into herbal medicine and my parents grew up, not really taking medicine as well. Like my dad just, yeah, never, never did, which is crazy. I mean, until, until he got cancer, he was in so much pain, he had to take pain medication.

But besides that, you know, we always try to do things like just kind of let our bodies repair whatever damages we did in general. We didn't really take any painkillers or anything. So that's what I grew up

Rob Valincius: I'm kind of like that. I, I, I, um, I mean it took a couple things because I have to. Like, there's no cure for psoriasis, so I have to take that med. Um, I, maybe like five, six months ago, I was diagnosed with low testosterone. So I do some gel, um, And that's, uh, it's helped me get way better sleep because I was not sleeping.

I was having really bad sleep. Um, so there's like certain things, maybe you can't get around, but like the, for instance, seniors this year, um, you know, because I'm so plugged into Medicare, seniors are going to get screwed. Um, they, they changed some of the rules with medicine and, um, They, it's, it's wild. Um, and maybe I'll, I like conspiracy theories and maybe I'll sound a little bit like that, but, um, You know, the number one donor typically to presidential campaigns is pharmaceutical companies, and, uh, they made a change to the way, um, the drug insurance plans are going to credit, um, deductibles and things like that.

So, um, over the past year, They've been kind of hush hush and now there's you know, they're coming out like oh this is gonna be good for seniors, right? and uh, so what's happening is they took the ownership of a lot of the Um the actual payouts for the drugs instead of putting them on the drug companies Which set the prices they put it on the insurance companies And I can tell you right now these plans right now are You know in jersey, they're zero dollars in, you know, other states, there are 5 or 10.

They're pretty cheap and people can get their drugs. And, you know, I don't know if you're familiar with Medicare at all, but, um, drug plans for seniors are required. If you don't have them, they penalize you for life. There's a, there's a, there's actually a lifetime penalty. So, uh, what's going to happen is, is they're going to skyrocket because when you put the ownership on the insurance companies, you know, they have to make some money and if they don't make money, they can't stay afloat and, you know, they go out of business.

So, you know, these plans that are super cheap for seniors are going to go to like 150, 200 a month. They're going to literally balloon. Uh, and a lot of insurance carriers are going to pull out of the market because they won't be able to afford it. So instead of putting the ownership on the company, that's designing the drugs and setting the price, they're putting it on the insurance carrier and look, they're both evil.

Okay. Don't get me wrong. I'm not sticking up for insurance companies. They're both evil. Um, you know, it's like Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. Right. Um, But I think in this scenario, Darth Vader is the insurance company, right? They're evil, but they're, they do do good for people if they have them. So, um, it's, it's going to be a sad scene for 25 for a lot of seniors, because this is going to really, they're going to struggle.

And a lot of people just aren't going to do their medicine. So, you know, for what's supposed to be a good thing for people is not good,

Kathy Mou: that's so sad

Rob Valincius: I,

Kathy Mou: my mom's going on medicare and then my in laws too So it's like that sucks

Rob Valincius: Well, hey, you should call me because I can help them. I'm an insured, I'm an insurance broker. But, uh, Medicare is probably one of the most complicated things on the planet. Um, And I think the problem is, is they've, they've done that to confuse older people. And, you know, I've been doing this now for nine years.

I've been doing this for a while. And I could care less about making money. It's, it's about helping people. Because at the end of the day, and I probably as a 38, 37 year old, think way more about death than the average late 30 person. Because I see it. I deal with it all the time. You know? And, uh, I just. I wish, I wish the world was a little different because I don't think we care enough about our older generations.

We don't, you know? Um, and it's sad. It really is.

Kathy Mou: I know, but that's why I like the Asian culture. We actually love and adore elders. I was raised to love and adore my elders. That's why I'm so close with my parents. Um, I'm close with my great, or my. My grandma. So my daughter's great grandma. I only have, she only has one great grandparent now, but yeah, so that's why, like we're taught at a young age to give respect to elders and to love them.

So that's why in Asia, like you'll see a lot of old people still surviving and happy because their kids give a shit about them, you know? Yeah.

Rob Valincius: Well, and you guys do a lot of, you know, the Asian culture, you do a lot of holistic approaches and you do things that we here in America don't. And that's why you, you live way longer than we do, because I think by the time we realize what we did to our bodies is too late.

Kathy Mou: Yeah.

Rob Valincius: You know, it's okay to like eat rice, right?

It's okay to to eat those things. If you're not eating highly processed rice, right? Rice, it's got fucking chemicals out the wazoo. And, um, I don't know. That's my rant of the day. Sorry. Um, but let's

Kathy Mou: for informing us.

Rob Valincius: talk a little bit about you. You know, um, what is your holistic approach like? And how does that differ?

From your standard, you know, your typical like health and life coach.

Kathy Mou: Yeah. So my holistic approach, I kind of talked about it a little bit is like, I try to stay away from pharmaceuticals as much as possible. And people with endometriosis has 10 times more toxins than other people because our immune system is just already messed up. So our talks, our cells are working a lot on other things.

and repairing, you know, the endometriosis in us, so they don't have time to get rid of toxins. Unfortunately, so we have to eat healthier. We have to, um, be more vigilant about, like, what type of toxins are surround us. Like, you know, candles. I got rid of candles. I used to love them, right? But now I try to get unscented things.

Like, that's just so simple, but scented candles or, like, what, those. Things to make your house smell good. What is it?

Rob Valincius: Febreze. We use Febreze a lot.

Kathy Mou: nope, that's toxic. That's just a scam to make your house smell good, but there's a lot of toxins in it, right? Like you're literally smelling poison essentially,

Rob Valincius: We have like 17 of them. Thank you.

Kathy Mou: yeah. So,

Rob Valincius: smelling poison, babe. We're dying right now.

Kathy Mou: Yeah, unfortunately, like all of these, you know, produce things in USA is to make money and not for your health. So, you have to do a lot of research, unfortunately, but getting rid of, yeah, scented candles, if you can, um, Any scents of some sort, like even lotions, like if you can take away the scents, perfumes, that's like toxic things.

You know, even in your hair products, right? Like shampoos and um, hair conditioners. It's crazy. It's like

Rob Valincius: My ship has sailed there, but I agree.

Kathy Mou: Hey, you still have hair, okay? It's not game over. It's still good. You still look good. You still

Rob Valincius: a Chia Pet, you know? 

Kathy Mou: Yeah, so trying to like get rid of as much toxic, um, things around my house has helped, um, obviously you can't get rid of toxic things, right, a hundred percent, but you can do the best that you can, um, fluoride is really bad for you, it's very toxic, it's like made up chemicals for your body and that it's hard for you to process, so I try to Not use fluoride things.

Um, and then let's see what else. Just like little things like that, getting rid of toxins, eating organic foods as much as possible too, because again, the food, right? Pesticides is toxic. So I try to like get organic because it's less pesticides because who knows right the big industry Whoever farms our food unless you farm your own shit, then you really know what goes in your mouth, right?

Rob Valincius: Yeah, it's

Kathy Mou: the

Rob Valincius: It's wild. I interviewed a guy from, uh, India, and he was, uh, He was big in organic stuff, and he was telling me how the government will subsidize farmers that use pesticides. And that's why a lot of those farmers use those things because they're specifically, the government's paying them money.

Which is wild.

Kathy Mou: yeah the government's okay my conspiracy theory now you can take it as a great assault is to suppress us to Be less powerful. So When we rely on the government On everything that's how they can control us So if we take back our power and like use less of whatever The government funds like in those businesses like those big businesses, right like the processed foods like all these not healthy foods and we grow our own shit like Dude, the government will have to change because if we take back our power, actually, like growing our own food, being less reliant on the stuff that they put out there for us, right, less pharmaceuticals too, and doing holistic approaches, this world will change.

They'll be like, oh shit, people are knowing that they have their own power and they don't really have to rely on us? Like, what I try to teach people is like, you have your own power and you have the choices to actually make a difference. And they try to suppress us every day by scaring us, like the news and all this things.

But really, if you focus on just yourself and how you can improve your life, then I believe that that's where the real change can happen is just by you doing the little shit every day in life that changes your life. To change the whole life, like the whole world in general, because if one person does it, then then it's like a triple effect.

That's what I believe in. So I don't know if you believe in that or not, but

Rob Valincius: I agree. I agree. 100%. Uh, you know, and, and the government, uh, there's, it's always a catch 22 for things that they do. Right. It's like, you know, Hey, we're, we're going to cut taxes. Uh, but then, you know, the states are like, Hey, but what about us? Like we're, we're going to increase state taxes. So like, there's always, there's always something that they're doing and it's never for the good of the people, even though that,

Kathy Mou: yeah,

Rob Valincius: know, that's, that's what they're saying.

Um, now. Yeah, it's awful. And I've never been into a politics and it's something I don't tend to talk about too much on my podcast because it's it's divisive, right? But you know, in our life today, it matters a lot. Um, the one thing I always encourage people and I have young people that listen is just go out and vote.

You know, if you want to be heard, unfortunately you have to tend to vote Republican or Democrat because, you know, I don't know what year you're ever going to see an independent get into office. Um, you know, but you do have to, to look at it and, you know, you shouldn't complain if you don't vote, right.

I've, I've voted every year. Um, you know, and, and, um, You know, it's, it's one of those things. I'm, I'm a pretty liberal person. So I vote for just who I believe in what I'm registered for, uh, as a Democrat, but I vote for who I believe in. And that's just, that's how I've always done things. And I think that's, you know, you know, you register and, but you just, you vote for whatever party you believe in, right?

Whoever candidate speaks to you, that's who you should vote for. Just because you're a Democrat or Republican doesn't mean you should vote for that specific person. Right? Um, but we live in a, Pretty political society. So it's tough. And, um, I don't think enough people vote and that's how you get Dillon's in office.

Right. It's because the, the people that are 60 that have voted since they were 18, they still vote, but you have the younger generation that's not being taught. Hey, go vote, go vote for who you feel should win. Um, Now, I, I, you know, obviously I coned your website, which, your website's really good. Uh,

Kathy Mou: you.

Rob Valincius: really like your website.

It was very well done. Um, I noticed you do, uh, numerology stuff too. So,

Kathy Mou: I love

Rob Valincius: can you, can you talk to us a little bit about, uh, what is numerology? Um, and, and how does that factor into kind of what you do?

Kathy Mou: Numerology is so important. So I don't know how spiritual you are. So I'm on a very spiritual journey, but I believe in higher source power. I believe there's angels, guardian, or guardian angels, there's spirit guides, and like your higher self, your loved ones always around you, protecting you, trying to lead you in the right path.

And so numerology taps into like, Signs from your angels and guides. So that's why it's a powerful tool. And, um, either if you see it or not, they're around either if you believe it or not, but I believe it. And so if you want to start believing in that and you'll start seeing signs and angel numbers. So the crazy part is when I was going through my infertility journey, I didn't believe in angel numbers.

I'm not very spiritual before my infertility day. So in 2019, I just kept seeing like. Synchronistic, um, like times on my on my phone. I kept seeing like 11 11 like 12 12 like 4 44 and I was like, what is this? Like I seriously I saw it for like a whole month without doing anything I just like was like this is just too coincidental

Rob Valincius: I've been seeing the number 77 a lot. I don't know what it is.

Kathy Mou: That's a sign for you to

Rob Valincius: Yeah, it's freaking

Kathy Mou: go research that and look it up. But literally I just Googled it. I was like, why do I keep seeing 1111? Like I just Googled that and it's like, oh, your angels are speaking to you and giving you messages. And I was like, what are you talking about? What? Angels? I don't, I, you know, cause I don't, I didn't believe in that.

Like I'm not a super religious person, like I told you, but I really believe in higher source of power. I've always known that. Like, um, I guess I would consider myself Buddhist, but Buddhism in a sense, uh, correlates with, you know, the Chinese tradition. Like, it's all like, you know, infused. So, I didn't really know.

And so I started tapping into my spiritual side and then once, sorry for the long story, about neurology. But so during my infertility days, um, you know, I just didn't know if I was ever going to become a mom. So I, I tried this thing called an akashic reading. I don't know if you know what that is, but it's like, I hired a person, she could tap into like the higher realm pretty much like into my guys and angels and like kind of get messages.

So, um, I can get my answers or my questions answered. So literally my question was, I only had one answer prepared and it was like an hour session. I was like, am I ever going to be a mom? And then so she did, she said, yes, I'm going to be a mom. I'm going to have a daughter and then I'm going to produce a lot of milk.

And then I was like, okay, I was still skeptical. I was like, what are you talking about? Okay. Maybe. And then I was like, am I going to be a mom soon or what? And then she's like, yeah, you're going to be a mom soon. And mind you, this was in May that I had the reading. And then I got pregnant naturally December with my daughter right now.

So I think it's fairly soon, right? I mean, it's not that, but it was soon. So when I got pregnant, I was like creeped out. I was like, okay, she, she said something. And then what really got me was when I did become pregnant and then had my daughter and found out it was a girl. Okay, and I was like, oh my god, she was right and then uh, Then after that, you know, I gave birth and I produced a shit ton of milk and I

Rob Valincius: You're spraying everywhere.

Kathy Mou: yes No, I swear I produced so much milk that my daughter could not breastfeed off of me because I was choking her How sad is that?

Rob Valincius: That's wild.

Kathy Mou: fucking insane. I'm not making this shit up. Like I might sound crazy, but this

Rob Valincius: Not at all. Look, I've, I've had many people on this podcast that said some crazy shit. You're normal. Don't worry about it.

Kathy Mou: okay. So that's how it got me into my spirituality journey. So then I got into angel numbers. So I started always seeing these messages, right? Like 11, 11, whatever on the time. And then my friend gifted me these numerology guidance card readings, um, last year for my birthday. And she's like, you're always into like these numbers.

Like, why don't you do these card readings? So these card readings are super cool. Um, I literally use it with my coaching. So I coach. people to empower them through these cards. And every time that I use it, um, some, they get to ask a question. So we like do, I do coaching with them to see what they need help with.

They ask the question that I pull these cards to get guidance from their angels. And I'm just the messenger at that point. And then they receive the messages and then they decipher like, okay, Whoa, what the heck? What is this? So yesterday I did one. For somebody. And she was just excited because she was seeing like what she would do to level up in her business.

And it told her to be compassionate. She's not compassionate to herself. So she's compassionate to everybody else, but herself, she's super hard or hard on herself and she's like, Oh my gosh. That's the message that I needed to hear, and it was just that simple. And the crazy thing is, when you're getting any messages from your higher self source or angels, etc, it's very simple.

It's very simple. It's just that our logical mind, our crazy mind, tells us so much crazy things that we make things complicated. Our thoughts make us complicated, right? We're always like, oh shit, this, this, and that, and this, and this, or is it this hour? It's like just too much. Like be quiet. Your angels literally tell you straight forward shit.

Like it's just easy. It's that easy. So, you know, and you're like, oh my God, it's that simple. You're like, yeah, it's that simple. But right.

Rob Valincius: That's

Kathy Mou: experience. Yes. The human experience makes it crazy.

Rob Valincius: I've never been, um, A religious person in my entire life, you know, um, I did go to church, you know, here and there and I did youth group and stuff, but it wasn't really my thing. Um, but as I've aged, I am, I've gotten a lot more spiritual because I've seen, you know, I've had People die, I've, clients die, and, and, uh, I've interviewed people about death, and, um, you know, I, I think about it more often, like I said, so, I feel like, you know, for, for me, personally, um, even though I'm Christian, whatever, um, I just, I believe in a higher power.

I believe that there's another plane of existence. I believe that we're all connected somehow. Like, I think that, um, and I've read books on this, and I think that the people in your life are people that are kind of just kind of attached to your spirit. People that you've, you've kind of been with, like, you know, in other lifetimes.

Whether they're your mom or your dad or your, your fiancé or your brother or your sister. I believe in a lot of that stuff. Um, and I know for some people that's like, like, oh, there's, there's Jesus and there's heaven and hell. And I I don't really believe in that. I, I think, um, you know, from a, a spiritual standpoint, I believe that there's, there's, there's a God of some kind.

Well, I don't know who that, who it is or what it is, you know? Um, and I think that there's a spiritual plane where at some point, um, you get to review your life and you get to, You know, hang out with those people again and, and, you know, uh, your soul, right? And then you get to choose, hey, do you want to hang out?

Do you want to go back to, you know, I feel like we, we do have a purpose though. I think that there's a purpose that your soul has and whether you complete it or not, uh, dictates the time of when you're going and when you're coming. Um, and I've only really over the past couple of years, really started to flesh that out in my head.

Um,

Kathy Mou: that.

Rob Valincius: that's real or not, I don't know, you know,

Kathy Mou: It is real. You're correct. You're absolutely correct.

Rob Valincius: I feel it. And I feel for me, I feel like that's, that's easier for me to believe than just, you know, look, every religion is pretty similar in a certain ways, right? There's a God, or there's a goddess or, you know, whatever. And there's a bad place in a good place, or there's a place you don't want to be. And I think, I think they all play to the same thing.

There's a God. And I, I actually, I really personally, I feel like this is hell. This is your test. And, um, you know, this is what shows whether you're a good person or a bad person. I think there's consequences for your actions. Um. I don't know what that is, you know, uh, you know killing people is bad. I don't know what that You know presents to you in the afterlife.

Um, I don't know if hell is a thing. I don't think that's a thing I think that's just the thing that christians Came up with to really make you follow the straight line but I think there's a lot of choices we make whether they're small or big and uh, whether it's Uh, you know, uh, just being a i'm i'm the listener, right?

i've always been that person kind of similar to you where I have friends and family that just, you know, I talk to my dad every day, literally every day. Um, his, his, his wife died four or five months ago from brain cancer and it's been a tough years. He was with her for 20 something years, right? So it's been tough and I, you know, it's, it's my goal to talk to him every single day and make sure he's okay.

And like, you know, that's just part of my routine and, and I don't do it because, you know, uh, it's, He's just, it's, it's my dad. That's what I have to do. It's I do it because I want to make sure he's okay. I love him. I care about him, you know, and, and spiritually for me, it's what, what can I do to just make his day a little bit better? And, um, you know, I think if we had a little bit more of, of spirituality, I don't think a lot of people think about that, like, like, like we do, you

Kathy Mou: Yes, think

Rob Valincius: you will when you're on your deathbed or, you know, if you're confronted with death, that's when people think about it. Sometimes it's too late, um, you know, to think about that stuff.

But, um, let's, let's talk a little bit about your, your company, right? So, uh, happy vibes LLC,

Kathy Mou: yes,

Rob Valincius: which is, which is a cool name. I like that. Uh, and, and I wanted to read this testimonial from one of your, one of your clients.

Kathy Mou: okay

Rob Valincius: Uh, I'm completely new to life coaching and in just one month I've known Kathy, I can honestly say that it's been amazing.

I suffer from endometriosis and other chronic illnesses, and she's been able to really help manage my pain and anxiety in such a short amount of time. I went from completely bedridden to being able to move and get out for short walks and stand by for 30 minutes a day. She's extremely encouraging, professional and knowledgeable, and I highly recommend her.

Uh, to anyone that's looking for a coach. And I think that's, I'd like to read those testimonials when I see them on websites, because I think, um, you know, that speaks to your character and, uh, you know, it kind of gives you like, how do you feel when you read something like that from someone you've helped?

Kathy Mou: so good, honestly because

Rob Valincius: right?

Kathy Mou: Yeah, it validates everything that I believe in and all the hard work that I put in to do for myself And I only teach what you know, I only preach what I teach So I don't like make these things up like I put it to the test I do it for myself but the thing is everybody has their own, you know bodies and however much they want to put the effort into themselves and They get the results after that.

So if I can encourage people to You Be the best version of themselves to get the results that they want. It's just it's so good to see that. Yeah

Rob Valincius: That's awesome. I, I, I do, I do like a lot of what you're doing. I think it, I think it helps people, um, gives them peace of mind, which, you know, for some people that's, that's really kind of all they need. You know, a lot of times they have all the tools, right? That they need. They just need validation. And sometimes people don't get validation in their lives.

Um, and they search for it. Um, and I do like that. So, uh, you know, you talk a lot about empowerment, right? Um, what are some tips you can give to, you know, anyone listening, uh, to help them on the road, um, to empowerment?

Kathy Mou: Oh, that's a good question I love talking about empowerment because like I told you in the beginning, you know, I grew up being an esl kid I was shy. I never spoke up for myself, right? And then now I do it in my later years and even in the healthcare system with endometriosis It really pushed me to empower myself You And what you can do is to start learning knowledge is power and that's why I tell you the government tries to take away your power by taking away your knowledge but putting being fearful for you like putting on the news to like distract you with like reality tv so you don't really focus on knowing and um you know working on this yeah

Rob Valincius: tick tock. Yeah.

Kathy Mou: Right?

So it's like a lot of distractions, but, um, you know, learning, knowledge is power, um, loving yourself. I think that's one of the best ways is to really learn about yourself. Like, we grow up not learning about ourselves, right? Like, not truly knowing what makes us happy, what, you know, Like I told you, I was so disconnected from my body.

I didn't even know I had endometriosis fully. Um, right. And I was just like, take, I took birth control for a whole decade. Like that's so not empowering. That kind of sucks. Right. And so now like in my thirties, when I try to have a baby, that's when I was like, what, I don't know anything. So I had to learn, empower myself.

So I had to start learning to love myself and, um, learn to be happy. Learn to be joyful. That's truly, truly. I know that sounds so cliche, but honestly, is a lot of this our

Rob Valincius: I agree. I agree. And I tell people I was that way for a long time where I was just, you're so quick to find the things that are bad in life, but you're not quick to appreciate the things that you have in life. And, uh, I feel like I wake up a lot happier. I mean, look, I'm, I'm not perfect. I'm still grouchy old white guy, you know, I mean, uh, but.

There's certain things like I appreciate my fiance and, you know, we've been together for 13 years. I appreciate my dogs. They make me happy. I appreciate my job. I've been there for nine years. I mean, it's, it's boring to a certain degree, but it's a job. And, uh, there's a, you know, I have family there. They feel like family, you know, and there's certain things I feel like if you just, um, I forget what's the word that they use on TikTok.

It's like, uh, not validation. It's like, if you just learn to appreciate the things you do have, I think we would be happier as a society. We really would, you know,

Kathy Mou: Practicing gratitude. That's what I teach.

Rob Valincius: That's

Kathy Mou: That's what I teach my clients or anybody gratitude That's one of the most powerful tools ever ever. It's so easy, too I'm trust me. I was a skeptic too. I was like gratitude what being grateful Every day. No, i'm not joking every day.

Rob Valincius: much worse. It could be much worse. That's how I look at it. I'm like, you know what, shit could be much worse. And, uh, I have all my limbs. I can walk. Uh, I'm a little fat, you know, whatever. I got, I got a little to work on. But, uh, I can see. I, I, I, you know, I'm, I, I have life. I mean, I don't know.

There's just, I think the problem is people in their 20s they think they're invincible. And then when you hit your 30s you realize you're not. And then it's, like, you're, you know, Figuring out who you are in your 20s is a lot different than figuring out who you are in your 30s. Um, like when you're in your 30s, you're, you're discovering yourself in a different manner.

And you, things that mattered in your 20s just don't fucking matter at all. You know, um, and you know, like being in your 30s, you're still young. You know, I'm still young. I make fun of myself that I'm old because I have more gray hair than my dad does. Um, but. You just, you learn, I think, to appreciate things, uh, as you age.

Um, now you have a podcast, right? Um, ignite the power, the, the Kathy Mount podcast. How did that come along? And, and, you know, have you learned anything along the way? Podcasting is fun, man. And I think, uh, you, you kind of learn a lot about yourself and things that you do as you do it.

Kathy Mou: Yeah, I started it to be honest to be better at speaking. Um, I told you I was ESL kid So I just started the podcast to just share my thoughts and Again, this might sound weird, but in my teenage years I just had this thought like I have so much things in my mind that I want to share with the world And I feel like I always of just telling people what I thought.

So I was like, what better way to do it than on a podcast? And then I can be better at speaking and just putting whatever I learn out there. So if anybody hears it or whatever it may be, and if I can help in any way, then great. So that's why I started it and I've loved it so much. Like, honestly, it brings me so much joy.

Yeah, it's actually fun. Um, I'm just talking to the mic by myself most of the time. Yeah, it's great. I'm just like, Whoa, I, I'm a talker. I, I was like, all this oppressed childhood of, of me not speaking up has just come out onto my podcast.

Rob Valincius: I've listened to, I listened to like two or three episodes and, and it's, it's, it's a fun listen. You have a, you have a very bubbly personality. I'm sure you've

Kathy Mou: Thank you. Yeah,

Rob Valincius: and, and

Kathy Mou: I'm like, um, a ray of sunlight sometimes. And I was like, okay, cool. I love that. Thank you.

Rob Valincius: you can feel the positive energy, you know? And, uh, I think that's important, especially in like what you do, you know? Um, which, which kind of leads me to the last question before we kind of end this. But, um, You know, this, this has to do with your journey. So how has your journey helped you become, you know, a better entrepreneur, a better parent, um, even a better partner to, to your husband.

Kathy Mou: Being an entrepreneur is really tough. Honestly, there's a lot of ups and downs and you have to do it on your own. So it's a lot of, um, being confident in yourself. So I had to learn a lot of confidence and overcome things that I do not want to do, but I have to learn the skills to do it. So it's like literally making Yeah.

Yeah. Shit happen out of nothing because who teaches you how to be an entrepreneur not in school Like you have to do this research yourself. You have to do And find your passion, right? Like you're going to keep doing it because you love it. So the more I put time into my business and seeing all the connections that I make, it makes me more grateful.

It makes me feel like my I'm living out my life purpose, which makes me feel like. Um, I'm living a concept that I came about, but it's like living, um, the bliss off life. I call it the BS life, not the normal bullshit, but like the bliss off life. And if you know me, I like puns, so it's very punny and I love it.

Rob Valincius: That's awesome.

Kathy Mou: Thank

Rob Valincius: So, so, um, yeah, I mean, that's, that's really kind of all I have for you today. Um, you know, uh, I really do like what you're doing. Um, I think there's a lot of people that do need to kind of connect and myself included, um, connect to themselves. Um, you know, on, on more of a, not just a spiritual level.

I think sometimes when people hear spiritual, they think, Oh, you know, religion, and I, I think, um, you know, if you're listening to this, I think you need to separate those, right. Am I wrong?

Kathy Mou: No, you're absolutely correct. So religion is just like a man made concept, right? But in general, like what you tapped upon is like all the religions all have the similarity of, you know, believing in something greater and actually teaching about being good and helpful and being kind. Like, those are the core practices that we, All should be learning and, you know, doing every day.

So you're completely correct. So spirituality is just tapping into your own powers, tapping into what you can do and following whatever God, Jesus, et cetera. They're just examples, right. Of like the righteous thing to do. They're just examples. But are you practicing that? Are you doing that every day? Yeah.

Rob Valincius: I mean, you don't, you don't have to be, you know, a priest, right? Or a nun or whatever. Like, you just have to be, just be a good person. It's not a hard thing. Um, and, and nobody's perfect, you know? Um, I get road rage, I fucking yell in my car, I yell in my car to myself. Um, but it's to each his own.

And for me, it's about, you know, uh, God. God. The energy you put into the world is what you're going to get out. So if you're always fucking negative, you're always angry. And I didn't learn that, I think, until now. Until I was older. That the energy you put into the world is what you're going to get out. So if you're always negative, you're always mad.

That's what you're going to get, and it's, it's not, it's going to be miserable, you know, and I think you need to, um, think about that and think about how, what you're putting into the world because that's what you're going to get out of it. Um, you know, and that's the same thing with any relationship, right?

I mean, which put in what you're going to get and, and, and effort and in work, it's, it's like it flows for everything, right?

Kathy Mou: yeah. Because everything is energy. We're made up of energy, every single thing. So think about it. If everything's energy and a frequency, whatever frequency you put out there, right? Is it negative or is it positive? If you're attracting negative, you're going to keep getting those negative things. If it's positive, you're going to keep attracting those positive things.

So that's why working on yourself, doing self love, being kind to others. Those are all. high vibrational things. So if you keep practicing those things, you're going to keep manifesting the life that you want. And it's pretty simple. It's that simple, but it's hard to practice, right?

Rob Valincius: Yeah, I mean, look, you gotta, it's, I think it's a something you just have to, you know, learn from all the time. It's, it's not necessarily that you, you have to be perfect, but I wanted to read this to you. So the number 77 that I've been seeing. Okay, so when the number 77 repeatedly appears, it's a sign that you're aligning with energies of love and empathy.

Potentially leading to significant transformations within your relationships. The alignment encourages you to form and nurture connections that resonate with your core values. That's pretty wild.

Kathy Mou: Whoa, how does that feel for you? Is it accurate?

Rob Valincius: It's pretty accurate. It's

Kathy Mou: message good?

Rob Valincius: Yeah, I mean, um, I don't know how I feel about that. It kind of freaked me out a little bit.

Kathy Mou: In a good way, right?

Rob Valincius: Yeah, I'm sure you get that a lot, don't you?

Kathy Mou: Yeah, that's the beautiful thing. When you tap into spirituality or even like angel numbers, like you just reading off of that. You're like, Whoa, that resonates with me so much. It's like your angels and guides are literally there having your back, knowing what's best for you. Just don't see it or you just don't know it. 

Rob Valincius: Yeah, my um, my, my, my birthday is, is July 17th. So 7 17 is like my numbers anyway. Um, so, and, and the wifey, she's 11 25. Those are like our, our four numbers. And I feel like we, we encompass them and encompass them all the time. We see them so randomly and it's, you don't, you don't realize it until you, you're paying attention, I guess.

We're also gamblers. So that's what we bet on the roulette table, but look, uh, it was, It was a pleasure having you on the podcast. Can you please tell people where can they find your content? And if anybody's listening, is a lot of stuff you do remote? Like if anyone's kind of anywhere, okay.

Kathy Mou: I'm remote. Remote. I'm all remote.

Rob Valincius: Where can they find your stuff? And if they're interested in, uh, getting your services as well,

Kathy Mou: Yeah. So my website is www.kathymau.com. So you can find my podcast there. You can find, um, my services there and what [01:03:00] I do and you can find more about me also there. Um, I'm also on Instagram, so my handle is Kathy dot Mao and then I'm also on TikTok and Facebook. And it's Kathy Mal without the dot.

Rob Valincius: that's awesome. Um, It was a pleasure having you on my podcast Drink O'Clock Pod on all socials for the most part, uh, and This will be part of season two. So I ended season one I

Kathy Mou: God.

Rob Valincius: I was at 76 episodes and I wanted to take a little bit of a break, do a little refresh. We have a cool new intro outro, you know, just wanted to take a little break.

Cause I think I did an episode a week for a year and I was like, all right, I need, I need a little bit of a break. So, uh, you know, I, I wanted to. To jazz stuff up a little bit. So I'm, I'm pretty excited. Uh, this will probably be out in a couple of weeks when, uh, when I released season two and I'm excited to have that going and, uh, drink clock, uh, dot beer is, is my website name.

I thought I was clever, but you can find all new episodes on there as well. Outside of any, anywhere you listen to podcasts is posted everywhere. So, um, you know, thank you so much for hanging out with me and, uh, you know, thank you for being part of season two. I appreciate it.

Kathy Mou: Oh, it was such a pleasure. I, I, I swear I could talk to you for like hours.

Rob Valincius: I feel like I could probably, you know, I know, I feel like I could probably talk to you for a while. We're talkers, it, for starters. But I love this stuff. This stuff, like, it just fascinates me. I love it, so.

Kathy Mou: Thank you so much for having me.

Rob Valincius: Thank you, Kathy. Have a great day.

Kathy Mou: You too.

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