Red Pill Realities: Relationships and Success with Paul Bauer

In this episode, I sit down with author and coach Paul Bauer to talk about modern relationships, dating apps, and how men can redefine success today. Paul shares his personal journey through divorce and rebuilding his life, and we dig into his book Forget That Bitch, marriage myths, and what it really takes to level up as a man. You can find his content below:

Website: fixdeadbedrooms.com

Book: Forget That B*tch: A Red Pill Guide To Breakups 

Podcast: www.comeonmanpod.com

Transcript

Intro Song

Rob Valincius: Boom. Well, gotta tell you guys, uh, I'm pretty excited 'cause I'm a big football fan and I'm from Philly, so first game of the season, go birds. Uh, so I'm pretty excited. Hopefully I won't be distressed after tonight. Uh, especially losing to the Cowboys. I don't know if you Paul, follow, uh, football Paul.

Paul Bauer: I haven't been, I haven't followed football since, uh, the players started taking a knee during the national anthem. I was like, I'm done. I don't need this. I, I follow real sports, like professional wrestling. Uh, that's, you know, like, you know, the, everyone knows that the NF L's A work, right? But, uh, real sports like, like professional wrestling, that's where it's at.

Rob Valincius: Yeah, I was a big, I watched a lot of professional wrestling when I was younger, and I got away from it I think when, like when Kane and Undertaker left. Those were like my favorite characters. And, uh, Dr. Soko with, you know, uh, was it, uh, what the hell 

Paul Bauer: Oh, mankind. Mankind was SoCo. Yeah. 

Rob Valincius: ah, loved it, loved it. Uh, but hey, anyway, this is the Drink O Clock podcast.

I'm your host, and I have the pleasure of having with me Paul Bauer. Now, Paul, you're an author, and, uh, let, let,

Paul Bauer: Oh, go ahead. No

Rob Valincius: uh, and you help men reclaim their power, right? That's, that's like your, your tagline. But, uh, welcome to the show, man.

Paul Bauer: thanks. Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm an author, podcast host, uh, content creator. I just, I, I've made it a mission in life to help men level up and get better with women. That's, that's my shtick.

Rob Valincius: And you know what, um, we've gone through quite a couple phases. I would think, uh, you know, on this side of the fence, right. Especially with, you know, you had, uh, a lot of the stuff with the Me Too movement, which I think, uh, you know, some of it was certainly big time rectified, you know, uh, thankfully they, they put what's his face behind bars?

'cause he was a, he was a, definitely a serial predator. You have other people, I mean, all the, all the shit with, I mean, Diddy came way later. Uh, but, uh. You have all that stuff and, and I think, um, it got pretty crazy 'cause they were trying to cancel people from like 1950, you know, and it's like, all right, the guy's dead.

I mean, just what are you gonna do? Like, you know, anyway. But um, yeah. How do, do you agree with me there?

Paul Bauer: Yeah, I mean, you're talking about guys like, uh, Harvey Weinstein or who's that guy from, uh, that seventies show he got put away?

Rob Valincius: Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's definitely not having a good time in prison. That is for sure. Danny Masterson.

Paul Bauer: Danny Masterson. Yeah. Guys

like that. Guys like Cosby, you know, like that were like roofing girls drinks and stuff like that. Like yeah. I think those guys had what, what was coming to them, you know? Absolutely.

Rob Valincius: Um, now the way I like to start this show typically, um, is talking a little bit about your background. So walk me through growing up, um, you know, and what eventually got you to the point where you are now.

Paul Bauer: Oh, okay. Yeah, you want my, my Batman origin story.

Rob Valincius: I want the origin story, man.

Paul Bauer: so I was, uh, I, I would say I was always. Pretty good with, uh, with girls. Like when I was in high school, I always had girlfriends. I went to four different proms. I lost my, I lost my virginity when I was at 16 or whatever. And I, I was always the guy that was, uh, had that sniper dating mentality though, right?

Where it was like the, uh, I was, I was always just hyper-focused on one girl at a time. Each girl, she was my soulmate. I was gonna marry that girl. You know how that happens, right? And

Rob Valincius: Yeah, I'm, I'm kind of emotional type like that as well.

Paul Bauer: Yeah. Well, a a lot of us are, you know, it, it turns out that men are the real idealists. You know, we're the romanticist and women are more opportunists and, and I didn't learn that early in life.

We, we sort of have it, this idea that it's backwards, that women are the romanticist and men are the opportunists and it's not the way it actually works. And so I was that guy. I was, was just running for that white picket fence. I was always trying to be the family man guy. And that carried. Passed high school and into the Navy when I was 18.

I, I left for the US Navy. I served, uh, four years, uh, did my time there and, and my second year in the Navy, I met my now ex-wife. So I was stationed. In San Diego and she was, uh, living out here in Colorado and I went home on leave and I met her through some mutual friends. Uh, some guys that I went through high to high school with, they were gonna college with her. And we met at a, at a house party, and she was the only girl at that party and. Man, I was, I was smitten with this girl and, uh, and she and I spent that whole rest of the week I was on leave, hanging out together. And, uh, I got, I got her phone number, I got her email address, and we ended up doing this long distance relationship.

My first cell phone I ever owned was because of this girl, so that I could, I didn't have to walk across base to the payphone and make phone calls to, to call this girl. So I went and finally invested and got my own, uh, cell phone so I could talk to her all the time. And, um, and then, uh, we had this long distance relationship for about a year before I convinced her to move out to San Diego.

And we moved in together and knew each other in person for about three months before we eloped, just, and I was 20 years old. I wasn't even old enough to drink. Alcohol at my wedding, right? And so I was 20 years old, she was three years older than me. We eloped. And the reason why was because I moved her out there and then I was getting ready to go on a series of deployments.

So I was gonna go on a three month training exercise, come back for a month, and then be gone for another six months on a, an actual deployment in the Middle East. And I wanted to make sure she was taken care of because, you know, that's our duty as men, right? We've gotta make sure that we're the protectors and the providers, and I wanted to make sure that she was taken care of.

So. I, I married her so that she would get my government benefits, you know, healthcare, uh, you know, if something happened to me, she would, she would get my life insurance and, you know, the government would take care of her, uh, if something were to happen to me. And so that was our first year of marriage. I was gone for nine months of it.

I wasn't even around. And, uh, luckily we had a pretty good marriage. I would say for the first half of it. We were married for 14 years total, and that first half was pretty good. Then we started having kids and you know, things started going downhill. For a, a lot of people, that's pretty typical that when you have kids, now all of a sudden you're not lovers anymore, and now you've got other obligations, and now you're a family and, um, you guys, you guys have different values and you're butting heads over the values and what to teach the kids and stuff like that.

And that was, that was our story. And it got to a place where. I just hated her man. Like I, I just did not like her very much. I would work 17 hour days just to avoid coming home because I knew that as soon as I pulled in that driveway and walked in that house, I was gonna get an earful about what I wasn't doing right, and she was just going to nag me to death.

And so I would avoid going home and I would work. Extra hours. And I would justify it right by saying, oh, I'm just putting food on the table and I'm paying the bills and this is my job, right? But really,

I just didn't wanna be home. And then there was times where I didn't wanna sleep with her at night. I would go in my garage and grab a cot and go sleep in my office instead of spending the night with her.

'cause I just didn't like her. But I was that guy that I would never would've quit. Because, you know, both sets of grandparents, they stayed together. My parents, they're still together, they're miserable, but they stayed together. They're coming, they're coming up on their 50th wedding anniversary. But I thought that's how life was because that was my paradigm growing up.

We learned relationship dynamics from our parents and you know, I was basically raised to be Al Bundy. You know, you, you get married, things are good in the

beginning. You have a couple of kids and then. Life is supposed to be miserable for after that. And that's just how life is, right? And so that's how I was just resolved to just be miserable.

And thank God in, uh, in 2014, January, 2014, she filed for divorce. She, she had enough and it was just like a tremendous weight lifted off my chest, you know? Um, and the biggest problem was, you know. N not that she was leaving, it was, uh, what's gonna happen with the kids and custody of the kids. And I didn't wanna have to pay her alimony.

So that was our big fight during the, the separation and the divorce process. But other, other than that, I was like, good riddens. Like, you're, you're gonna be, you're gonna be some other dude's problems. But, but like most guys. Um, I thought she was the problem, right? And so I found myself back on the dating circuit after 15 years of no practice.

Uh, let myself go. I was 50 pounds overweight at the time, and I just floundered, man. It was a whole new world, new experience. I mean, uh, when I met her, there were no dating apps and now 70% of people. Their relationships start online. And so I'm, I'm in this whole new world, the Me Too movement. You mentioned that the Me Too movement had me not making any bold moves because I was afraid of, of, uh, offending women.

Right? So I was just walking on eggshells. Not making a move. And so I just floundered, I just didn't do a very good job on the dating circuit for the first 11 months until I met a gal, uh, that I call a red pill chick on my, my channel. And, uh, she was a little bit of a chubby chaser and she was really forward and, um, and I needed that, my time in life.

And so she. We went on a date, she basically like attacked me in the, the parking lot of an Applebee's just making out with me and stuff. And, uh,

and I've immediate, and, and I immediately fell in love. I was just like, oh, I'm going all in on this girl. And I had that sniper dating mentality and I, I went all in on this girl and I ended up in a relationship with her for four and a half years that I probably shouldn't have been in. But there were some, some blessings from that. I, I, uh, she was really big into running when I first met her, and so I got into exercise. I lost all that weight, but I fell back immediately on that, that what I call husband mode, where I just, I thought, I already got this girl. I don't have to try anymore. And I just became this lazy bum that didn't, didn't take her out, stopped doing the romantic stuff.

And so she basically. Had enough of me that two years into that relationship, and she didn't end things because she started lining up her male orbiters, you know, and she, she, uh, started acting so bad by the end that she, uh, she was pushing me away so much that I finally ended things after four and a half years.

And it turned out that at the end there, she was cheating on me.

You know, and I didn't, I didn't find that until, find out, until, uh, a year later or so, but. Um, but that was a different experience. 'cause after that, I, uh, found myself back on the dating circuit again. But this time I was much thinner. I was able to get dates much easier.

I just couldn't keep women around because I still had that, you know, that sort of me too movement fear. And I was waiting for a written invitation to. To do anything with these chicks. And so I, and I was always trying to make these chicks my, my girlfriend, right? So, um, I, I was just super needy and, and I couldn't keep women around more than two or three dates.

And I had this epiphany like, what? Am I doing wrong? I'm clearly the common denominator here. The two biggest relationships in my adult life failed. I can't keep women around more than two or three dates. I, I'm the problem, like, what am I doing wrong? And so I did a, an just an extensive deep dive in intersexual dynamics, the psychology of attraction. I read a, a, a bunch of like just. Name, any kind of book out there. I've probably read it. Some of them I've read 25 times just to on repeat, just to, so I knew what I was talking about. And so I more importantly don't make this mistake again. And, um, from that, um, I ended up in a men's group where we were all studying this guy named Corey Wayne's book, how to be a 3% Man.

And, and, uh, we were all going out on dates and swapping notes about what worked and what didn't. And from that group, I. Created my podcast, the Come On Man podcast. And I originally started interviewing other guys from that group. And then from there it, it blew up. I started talking to authors. I started talking to some of the biggest names in the space, and I ended up becoming a coach.

And now this is what I do full time.

Rob Valincius: That's pretty cool, dude. I mean, that's, that's a cool origin story. I mean, you gotta admit, I mean, uh, you know, there's ups, there's downs, there's bottoms, there's tops. I mean, there's, there's a lot going on there. Um, hey, could you do me a favor? Um, I think your gain might be a little high 'cause I'm getting a little bit of a crackle.

Paul Bauer: Okay.

I'm not 

Rob Valincius: could probably fix it post, but I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm probably lazy enough at this point that, um. I feel like, I feel like I can fix it, but

Paul Bauer: Well, let me see here. If there's anything I can do about it. I don't, I, when I click in the, uh, the settings, it's, everything's grayed out now. I guess it's because it's in recording mode, but, uh,

Rob Valincius: I mean, you sound fine now. It's just like certain spots. It gets to be a crackle, so I don't know.

Paul Bauer: maybe I'll move this back a little bit.

How's that? 

Rob Valincius: Yeah, let's do that. Fuck it. That's, that's where I'm at today. I'm, I don't know if you drink. I'm drinking an old fashioned today. Uh, I, I don't, I haven't been drinking as much on my show because we're trying not to drink during the week.

Uh, because look, I like drinking drinking's fun to me. I don't ever drink to excess. I just drink a couple drinks, chill, relax. That's like my thing. Uh, but. It also is very empty calories that you don't realize. I, I'm, I'm pushing 40, you know, I'll be 40. So, you know, you're fine doing that when you're 25, 30, even sometimes 35.

But the moment you're past that halfway mark there, you're fucked. You know? 

Paul Bauer: well, well, the good thing is, is I'm, uh, well, I don't, I don't have a drink on me right now, but, uh, I, I'm on the keto diet, and if you're

on keto, you can drink, uh, vodka and bourbon and there's, there's zero net carbs, so it actually works out pretty good.

Rob Valincius: Yeah, dude, I did keto for, for a while. Um, I'm just a fat kid and I really love rice and, uh, potatoes and, and shit like that. Um, but I do think the low carb lifestyle is, is definitely where it's at because it, uh, it's, it's sustainable. Like you can get away with doing a lot of that. Um, and a lot of people that are on keto tend to, like, when they stop, they'll, they would gain it all back.

But if you, if you do like a low, like if you stop keto and just do low carb, that's like the sweet spot. So once you get to a point where you're comfortable and you feel like you can have a little bit, but I, I know a ton of people. I mean, that lost. Tons of weight and, and it's, it's a good diet, man. I mean, you're eating meat, eggs, like, what do we, 

Paul Bauer: it's great. Yeah, no, I, that's what I, I, I like, uh, cheat days for, you know, just, uh, you know, maybe once a month or just a couple times a month. You can't do it too much 'cause it kicks you outta ketosis. But yeah, I like rice and pasta and all that kinda stuff too, and it, it's good to splurge like once a month or something on that.

And then just get back, just stay in it otherwise.

Rob Valincius: Yeah. Yeah. It gives you something that you can look forward to, you know, and I think sometimes people, when they get on a diet, they don't. They just, they're, they try to be so strict and when you do that, sometimes you burn yourself out. It's just like work, right? You know, you're like your work, work, work, work, work.

You burn. You can burn yourself out. It's the same concept with a diet. I've been on 9 million diets. It's why I'm a, a chubby kid right now. But, uh, well I also work in an office and the moment you work in an office and think I put on in over 10 years, I gain about eight pounds a year working in an office.

Paul Bauer: So before I started doing this full-time, I was working remotely. Um, and so I, I'd been working remotely since 2013 and I periodically, I used to have to fly back to San Diego to go to the office. And whenever I did, there was always this one guy. He, he was the, uh, the director of the, uh, quality assurance team. He would always bring in boxes of donuts or rolls or candy or whatever. They always had, uh, what we say in the Navy, gee dunk. Right? They had a gee dunk table with all this crap on it. And every time I went to the office, it was always there. And through the whole time I worked with that guy, he was constantly gaining weight the whole time.

And I'm like,

Rob Valincius: It's awful. I, I work in insurance and especially now, uh, our carriers, you know, you got the big ones, right? United Healthcare and Humana and Aetna, and they butter you up. So they'll bring you in. I mean, you know, they'll buy us breakfast. They'll buy us lunch, and it's not healthy shit. They're not buying fruits.

I mean, they'll have a little fruit basket maybe, but they're buying. Sandwiches and, and chicken fingers and cheese steaks. Like, you know, we had someone bring in fucking cheese steaks two days ago. So it's like, and I, I, I grew up in a poor family, dude. So like, my mentality is if it's free, I'm gonna eat it.

You know, that's how, it's always, I clean my plate. If it's free, I'm gonna to eat it. If there's a deal to be had, I'm gonna do it. Um, you know, but, uh, it's a terrible mentality to have. I, I, I need to get better and I have, I have self-control if it's not there. If I don't have a bag of chips in front of me, I'm good.

If the bag of chips is in front of me, I'm probably, especially if it's one I like, if I don't like it, then I, yeah, I'm not gonna touch it. But if it's something I enjoy, I'm going to eat half 

Paul Bauer: Oh, oh, I'm, I'm I'm the same way, man. Um, my, so, so I mentioned I'd lost all the weight when I was dating red pill Chick, so that was, uh. That was like within the first year of, of dating her, I finally just had enough of the way I was looking in the mirror, and so I made a promise myself. It started off as a New Year's resolution. And I was like, look, I'm gonna work out no matter what five days a week, and I'm gonna work on my diet and, and, and stay good with the diet. And a part of that is not buying the crap and having it at home. And the thing is, is that, you know, the divorce process caused my, uh, my, my wife and I to, or my ex-wife and I to, uh, split the kids up, right?

So every other week I, I would have the kids and every other week she would have the kids. And so on my weeks. I would only buy stuff like meat and vegetables and I wouldn't have potatoes or anything like that around the house. And I wouldn't buy a lot of junk food. And it wasn't that I did, I cared that my kids had junk food so much.

It was more that if I had the junk food in the house, I was going to eat it. And so I just wouldn't have it there. And my kids were miserable. They're like, oh, we're going over dad's house. He never has any food there. And you know, he only has things to make food and it's, it's all health food. Yeah.

Rob Valincius: Well, it doesn't help too that like, and, you know, I don't, are, are you comfortable? How old are you, Paul?

Paul Bauer: I'm 46. I just turned 46.

Rob Valincius: All right, so we're in that same bracket. You know, I'll, I'll be 40, right? So we're, we're in that, that range. And you know, you have DoorDash now you have Uber Eats, you have all that. It makes it so easy.

To get food and yeah, it's, it's a lot more expensive. Right? But if I'm, if I, if I, uh, you know, get a, get drunk on a Saturday night and I'm like, man, I'm really hungry. I want french fries. In the past I would've had to get into a car and drive and I'd be like, nah, I'm not gonna do that. Well, maybe in the early two thousands I might've made a terrible decision because we did that back then, 'cause there was an Uber.

Um, but yeah, I would, I, I wouldn't have made that decision, but now I could just hit a button on my phone. And it gets, it gets delivered and, uh, it's, it's a blessing and a curse I think. 'cause I definitely spend way too much money on the delivery apps. Um, but you had mentioned about the dating apps and that, that was definitely a question I had for you because I always say, I mean, me and the wife who've been together for 14 years and we're not married by the way, where we just, we're not doing 

Paul Bauer: Smart man. Yeah.

Rob Valincius: Y Yeah, but you know what, uh, her, her mom has been divorced five times. May. Yep. She's behind the green screen five times. Uh, my mom's been divorced three times. Uh, you know, my dad's been divorced once and had some falling out here and there, so our parents around us have just had terrible things and like.

We have out, we've survived so many marriages, like we've been to weddings and then also to reeds. Like we've survived a lot of that stuff. So we just look at each other and we're like, all right, if, if it's not broken. Don't fix it. So every five years I just buy her a new diamond ring. You know, we just, we just make her look like Mr.

T and that's how we live. We don't have kids, we have dogs. Um, and that's kind of the arrangement we have. Maybe in the future we'll change our minds, but we're on the same page. Um, but I thought very much like you in the beginning it was like, I need to get married, I need to have kids, I need to have a big house.

I need a white picket fence. 'cause that's. In our generation that was ingrained us. You have to go to college to be successful. You can't not go to college. Right? And all of those paradigms are different now. Everything

Paul Bauer: Yeah,

they're all incorrect. Yeah. I so, so, my. F my, uh, philosophy on marriage. It really does come from the, the, the red pill pr theological space, which is, uh, marriage is a bad deal for men. It's just not a good idea for men. Uh, it, the, the, the marriage laws are extremely unfavorable to men, and I experienced that.

I went through the, the meat grinder that is the family court system. So like I'll never do it again. And, um, but on top of that, it just. To me, to me it makes very little sense to get Uncle Sam involved in your relationship because once you get Uncle Sam involved, now Uncle Sam gets to decide how you guys break up. You know? And it's just, it's just not, uh, it's just not a good idea anymore. And it's completely unnecessary. I mean, you're a living proof of it. You, you guys have a happy relationship. You guys don't

need. Uh, a piece of paper to define it. Right. Um, but I do help men in, in marriages, uh, specifically guys in dead bedroom situations.

And 'cause my, I my idea around that is that a lot of guys didn't get the memo. They didn't get the memo that marriage is a bad deal for men. And just like you and me both, we have this paradigm of we have to get married. So a lot of guys go and get married and they, you know, things are good for the first seven years or whatever, and then after that it starts going downhill and next thing you know, the sex dries up and it, and it's a big meme now, like, everyone's like, oh yeah, you know, uh, I, I, I put out on Facebook what's a relationship without sex?

And everyone's like, modern marriage, you know, everyone in the comments says the same thing. It's, it's called marriage. And, uh, but it doesn't have to be that way. And so for

those guys, I'm like, look, you already pulled the trigger. It's, it's gonna cost tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in, in attorney fees and alimony and child support and opportunity costs. You might as well fix it. You might as well turn that thing around. You know, you, you didn't get married so you don't fix it. That doesn't make sense, right? So,

um, I do like to try to help guys in that circumstance, but, but not all relationships are meant to be saved. And if you can't turn things around, uh, then I don't recommend going for marriage number two or three.

'cause. The, uh, the divorce rate right now is like 50% divorce rate for first time marriages, and then second and third time marriages. It's, you start looking at 60%, 70% divorce rate. It's like, and, and a lot of that is because when guys get married and things aren't working out, instead of working on themselves, they're like, well, if I just replace her, she's the problem.

Let me just get a new girl. Everything's gonna be

fine. But the thing is, is like you're still the common denominator in your relationships and you're gonna carry that stuff. To your next relationship if you don't work on this stuff. And, um, the thing is, is that you're gonna end up in relationships with the same person, with just a different face. You know, if you don't realize that there are certain skills that are required to maintain a healthy, long term relationship and, and keep that attraction going for the long term.

Rob Valincius: Yeah, and I think the divorce rates are even higher. Like if you're considered a, um, I think it's, was it under, I wanna say it's under 27, which is technically still an adolescent. I think it's 75% or something ridiculous. It's, it's in the seventies, which is just a lot of people now. A lot of people are getting married later now.

Um, like obviously, like I said, the paradigm has changed a lot. Um, you know, when we were younger it was, you get married as Israel. I mean, my parents. You know, had me and were married at, I think 19 and 18 or 20, I think it was 20 and 18 or 21 to 19. I mean, they were, they were babies. Like I would, when I was that age, I would not have considered getting married at all.

And

Paul Bauer: I mean, I got married at 20,

I wa I wasn't even old enough to drink at my wedding reception. You know, it's,

Rob Valincius: that's just baby 

Paul Bauer: it was a bad idea. Yeah. 

Rob Valincius: but, but you know, being human's all about making mistakes, you know, and I think, um, learning from that, like, you know, it seems like you learned a lot from a lot of the things you've gone through. But I do want to ask right. You know, you come, you come from my background where when we first started dating, there was no dating apps.

And now that's where we used to make fun of kid of people who use dating apps when we were, you know, dating 

Paul Bauer: Yeah, early two thousands, like, oh, you met him. You met him on, uh, what was it? A

OL. You met him on an a OL chat Like you, what are you a loser? Yeah, 

Rob Valincius: Yeah, you're like, ah, you lose her. But, um, you know, obviously the, with with that change, like how, how difficult was that for you, you know, to go from, obviously you were in a long-term relationship and then it ended, and before then it was like you meet a girl at a bar and you bought her a drink.

Now you do that, you're a creep. Right? So like, what was that shift like for you?

Paul Bauer: Well, I mean that, it was huge for me because, um, so I, I I a part of the divorce process, my, uh, my now ex-wife, a part of her exit strategy was she wanted to move us back to Colorado. 'cause uh, we both had family here and so her argument was. We should leave California and move closer to family, you know?

And I was like, yeah. And I hated California at the time 'cause I was, uh, really big into gun rights and living in California, it's like the worst place to live if you're into gun rights. And so I was like,

Rob Valincius: Them in Jersey Jersey's bad 

Paul Bauer: Jersey's bad too. So I was like, yeah, let's get out of this. Let's get outta this place and, uh, go back home and we will, we both have family close it, it would be great.

And so we moved back here and I was thinking we were moving back to Colorado. We were gonna buy a house out here and just move back here. She, she was trying to get out and that was her exit strategy and she wanted to move closer. So she had a better support system when she did,

uh, which, you know, she was. Yeah. A tactician, you know, and, and, and, you know, why wouldn't she do that? So I, I don't fault her for that. But we moved back out here and, uh, we moved in with my parents temporarily. 'cause my parents retired out here on the western slope of Colorado. And, uh, we moved all of our stuff into their barn and we were gonna go house hunting and

she was just biting time until the, the new year hit because a new alimony law was kicking in.

So she was

Rob Valincius: Ah, that's fucked up dude. That's fucked up. Smart, but fucked up.

Paul Bauer: But fucked up. Yeah. It, it wasn't to my benefit, but definitely to her. So, so the thing was, so the thing was is, uh, so now we're stuck out here, right? Because she filed for divorce out here and, uh, we went through the divorce process out here, and now neither of us can leave this area unless we want to give up the kids.

And she tried. A year later, after the divorce was finalized, she took me back to court to try to move to Denver, and she wanted sole custody of the kids. She lost that. Um. But we're basically stuck out here in cow pasture, I call it. Right? So in cow pasture, especially in the area that we're in, it's largely a reti retirement area and farmers and ranchers.

And so meeting people organically. Is very difficult, if not impossible. Like if I go to the local supermarket, it's all elderly, 60, 70-year-old people. Um, if I go to the bars, it's usually a lot of older drunks. There's no young, young, uh, dateable hot chicks out here, right?

And so I'm like. But you see 'em, like if you go to the, the elementary school to drop your kids off, like there's hot, there's hot moms there and stuff.

Like where, where are all the hot moms at? You don't see 'em around. And that's because all the hot moms, uh, either commute to the largest, uh, big city, which is Grand Junction or Montrose. Those are the two biggest cities close to me. And even those are small. Like Grand Junction's population is 60,000 people.

It's not a

Rob Valincius: I've been there. I've been there. It's nice.

Paul Bauer: It's nice, but there's not a lot of people. And so, but, but that's where all the women are. They're either in Grand Junction or, or, uh, Montrose. So I had to get good at online dating. And, and the, the thing is, is that that first year I wasn't good at it. That's why I said I floundered around.

And, um, I did meet red pil chick on a dating app though eventually. And so the second go around is when I started studying this stuff and I found that there's a method to the madness with dating apps. And so a lot of guys complain. About dating apps and they're like, oh, you know, uh, it's, it's, uh, something like 80% dudes on the apps.

There's only 20% women, and those 20% of women are only going for the top 5% of guys on dating apps. It's, it's a waste of your time, bro. And it's like, do you ever stop to think what, why these women are going for the top 5% of guys on dating apps? Like, do you ever try to think about how to get into that top 5% or do you just complain about it?

Right. And so I'm the kind of guy who's like, well, there's gotta be a way. And so I started studying this stuff and, and I found out that dating apps really comes down to four things. It comes down to your pictures, it comes down to your bio, it comes down to how you open and how you close. And it's basically a marketing strategy and sales.

And, and once you get that down, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. And so.

So I got really good at it. And, um, when I started studying this stuff and I started, uh, swapping notes with the guys in that men's group, and, uh, we were killing it. We were all, we were all having, uh, multiple dates. We started dating multiple women.

It was like the time of my life. I loved it. And, and, and I eventually met my ne my, uh, girlfriend that have now I call her nurse chick on my show. I like to keep these women anonymous, you know, and, um,

Rob Valincius: No, that's, that's fair. That's fair.

Paul Bauer: so Nurse Chick and I, we're, we're, we've been together for going on, uh, five years now. We did, we met on match.com

and we we had a, we had a great first date and, um, first date I, I, I met her for coffee and normally I don't recommend guys meet for coffee 'cause that sort of puts off a friend vibe

and so. 

Rob Valincius: Yeah. I've, I've read that I.

Paul Bauer: So I, uh, so I invited her to drinks. And I, and I recommend for guys, uh, always have a plan and always have a go-to place that you take all these women for first dates. 'cause then you'd have to think about it. You have a plan. And women just, they don't wanna make decisions. Most of the time they just wanna show up looking hot, right?

So a guy who says, Hey, you sound like a cool chick. When are you free to get together? Great. Meet me at this place at this time. They're like, oh yeah, that sounds wonderful. Like, I, I, because most guys, what are they doing? They're going, oh, what do you wanna do, honey? Like, right.

so so it it, it starts off in the dating process, like, well, what do you like to do?

What do you wanna do for fun? Okay, let's go do what you wanna do. And the thing is that women are like, what? Like, I, I don't know. I don't know what I like to do. You know? They just sort of wanna join your lifestyle. And so when I figured that out. I had like my go-to places, and so I invited Nurse Chick to my go-to place, but she was working graveyard shift labor and delivery, and she couldn't go out for drinks, so I was like, oh, well I guess we'll have to go for a coffee then meet me at this coffee shop at this time. And so we, we met up for a coffee date and, um, we had a good conversation and then I, I went in for a kiss and then I went home because she was supposed to go to work in, in a couple hours after that. And that was WrestleMania weekend. And I was getting ready to go home and watch WrestleMania, like, you know, I wasn't gonna miss that.

So. So I, I get home from, uh, from, from that date, and I get a call from her, like maybe an 30 minutes, an hour before WrestleMania starts, and she goes, Hey, so I got low census. I don't have to work tonight. What are you up to? And I said, well, I'm getting ready to watch WrestleMania. You're welcome to join me. And she was like, oh, that sounds great. I've never watched WrestleMania before. And so she drove and I, and I live an hour from Grand Junction. That's where I met her. She drove an hour out here to watch WrestleMania with me. I was like. Uh, if I just, if I don't put my foot in my mouth, it's a done deal because a woman's not driving a two hour round trip to watch WrestleMania with some stranger she just met.

Rob Valincius: Definitely not.

Paul Bauer: I knew she had high interest and I knew that if I just played my cards right, everything was gonna work out. And uh, yeah. Now. Fast forward almost five years later, we're, we're still together. Effortless relationship. I apply everything that I, I, I talk about in my books and our relationship, and it's just been the most effortless relationship I've ever had.

We've never had a single fight, not a single spat, and everything's just great, you know, and I, I can't complain.

Rob Valincius: That's awesome, dude. Um, now let, let's, let's talk about the book. Um, I do love, uh, talking about the writing process and I've, I've interviewed a, a bunch of authors, so I, I, I find that, um, every author, it, you know, we're all content creators, authors, everybody, right? And everyone has their own way. Of doing things.

So, uh, obviously, you know your book, um, it's, it's got a very interesting title. I'll let, I'll let you describe, uh, where you came up with that. But what was your writing process like? And, um, you know, what inspired you to write it?

Paul Bauer: So I've, I've actually written four books now. Um, so if, if you wanna talk about writing process

Rob Valincius: newest one, right, which is what, forget that 

Paul Bauer: Forget That Bitch is the newest one. So it's like, it's weird, like once you, once you've written your first book, other books are, are a much easier process. 'cause you've already gone through, you know, you've already been through it.

Right? So,

so for me, like writing a book now, it's pretty easy. It's a matter of, uh, sitting down, writing out and sort of brainstorming, uh, the logical, uh, path. I want to take the reader down. And, uh, start with a beginning, middle, and end, you know, sort of thing. And just get all the ideas out as much as possible.

And so I start with the outline, and then in each outline or each section, right, that ends up becoming chapters. I, there's certain bullet points I want to hit. In each chapter. And that's sort of how I start it. And then it's just a matter of writing to those bullet points. And so it's pretty easy process now. Uh, but my first book, uh, which is called, uh, everything I Wish I Knew When I Was 18, which I mean that really talks about all the stuff I learned since the divorce, basically. And, um, the biggest chapter in that book is the Dating and Spinning Plates chapter. And I get into dating apps and like the, the psychology of attraction with women when, especially when it comes to dating and stuff. Uh. That one, that book I, I started and, and just start out writing and then I, I just was like, nah, I don't wanna do this. So I would get like two chapters in and just start all over. And I did that like four times before I finally figure it out. The, the, the message I wanted to tell, and it was after I read, uh, I read a, a, a colleague in my, in, in my men's space here, the po, the men's podcast space, a guy named Aaron Clary.

The guy's written like a dozen books. He, he sent me a copy of, of one of his first books called. The Bachelor Pad Economics. It's a phenomenal book. And after I read his book and I saw how he outlined it, I was like, this is the kind of book I wanna write. And so once I had his idea of how he formatted it, I was like, let me format the book that way, but based on my experiences and all the things that I've learned and stuff like that.

And so mine's like a much more condensed version of that. And it's funny, when he, he read it, he goes. You know, this is kind of like a condensed version of, uh, bachelor Bank Know. So I was like, yeah, there's a reason for that, Claire. Thanks. Thanks for the idea there. Um, but,

Rob Valincius: know what, man? I mean, content creators, you know, although we do come up with our own spins, a lot of it, you know, we absorb from other great content creators.

Paul Bauer: yeah, it's called modeling, right? It's,

it's like I'm not copying what he wrote in his book, but the format behind

it was genius. The way he lead, laid it out. I was like, this is exactly. How I wanna do this. And it was, and I had never written a book before, so I sort of needed that as an idea of, of what to do.

And then, uh, and then my second book, that one I wasn't even really planning on writing. It was, uh, a, a a a friend of mine who just passed away this year. Um, he's a, he was a, he was a, another big guy in the men's podcast space and he wrote a phenomenal book called A Dom, A Dominant Masculine Present. And his name was, uh, was RP Thor, and he wanted to write a whole series, but he developed brain cancer.

So the first year I met him, uh, he, I, he found out he had brain cancer and he didn't find out until he, he was done narrating my book, my first book. So he did the audio narration for my first book, and right after that he found out he had brain cancer. And so because he, he couldn't actually write these books the way he wanted to, and he only had a little bit of time left.

He asked a bunch of us in the space to write books in this series. He wanted to make an encyclopedia for men. That he called, uh, the essential skills of a Masculine Presence series. So I, I was like, yeah, that's good. And at that time I was reading a book by Bob Proctor on reprogramming paradigms, and I was like, this would be the perfect foundation for his series.

Because once you get your mind right, like everything else tends to work out, and so. He gave me this idea to write a book on paradigms and how to reprogram your paradigms and stuff like that. And I, and before that I got NLP certified. So I, I used a lot of my NLP uh tools in that book to help men reprogram themselves. To have more of a dominant masculine presence in their relationships. And so, uh, that one was actually a pretty easy book to write too, because what I did for that one, now we have all these great tools, right? So I just, instead of writing the outline myself, I just said, Hey, uh, chat GPT gimme an outline for a book that is just like, you know, I want to talk about this and this and this and this, and it spat out an outline.

And I was like. Done. And it was just easy to write to that outline. So now, like in my new books, I just, I have chat, GPT, write me out an outline, and then it's just an easy process, you know.

Rob Valincius: It is amazing what it can do for especially, especially from an outline perspective, and I think as. We as humans begin to like utilize AI more, right? Like the everyday person, not like, not the nerds like me. You right, as the everyday person starts to use it, it is a great, AI's not gonna write the perfect thing for you, but it will do is give you a basis, like a baseline of where to start.

And I think that's such a great tool because we as people, right? Like I struggle with it. Like, I'm like, all right. This is what I'm, what I want. Like this is what I wanna accomplish and do. Where the hell do I start? 

Paul Bauer: Hmm. 

Rob Valincius: Just ask it. And it, it doesn't have to be perfect, but it could be like, here's 10 points of where you should start and how you should end.

And you're like, oh. I didn't even think about it. Oh, perfect. That's, and, and then you can go from there. Like it's, it's gonna continue to build on that. Um, I just, I just also, um, I have audible, so I just bought your book. I always like to support people that I interview because, 

Paul Bauer: oh, thanks. 

Rob Valincius: I be if I didn't support the cause?

You know what I'm saying? So,

Paul Bauer: Well, I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny about chat CBT, the more you use it. The more you start seeing the same patterns. Right. And so

now, because I, I do use it quite a bit for different things. I use it for show notes and stuff like that. Um,

but when I do show notes, it's just talking points because I want to talk about what I know and my experiences and, and give guys that.

I don't wanna just be reading. A script that, that AI wrote. 'cause ai, if you ask AI about relationships, it'll give you the worst, worst relationship advice ever. It's all very blue pill, traditional type.

Give girls flowers and chocolates and they'll love you. And it's like, that's

a, what we call a covert contract.

That's a bad idea. And so, so you can't let, you can't let chat GBT do all the writing for you and all the thinking for you. But it's good to give you like bullet points. And what I found is. Chat. BT has certain patterns, it says certain words, and now you can see a lot of content online where people aren't even creating content anymore.

They're just using chat BT and it's like everyone's losing their authenticity. And so it's like, it's, that's kind of a, a problem I'm seeing. I see it on Twitter, you know, all the Twitter accounts when they, they have

these really cool sayings, like 99% of it's all chat CP t now, and you can spot it if you, if you use it enough, you know,

Rob Valincius: Well, if you see that long dash line, I was talking about this today with my boss. I'm like, look, and I, I, you know, I, I work in, part of my job is in our marketing department and we use AI a lot, and that double dash line that's connected, 

Paul Bauer: the hyphens. Yeah, 

Rob Valincius: Yeah, it shows up everywhere and I, I always tell 'em, I'm like, listen, we need to stop.

We need to stop using that because I can recognize it now and more and more people are gonna start recognizing that we're using AI and it's okay to use ai, but you also want to. Spin it and make it your own and not just, now show notes are a different thing. A lot of times I'm just, I'm just doing that to, to put it up.

Or, um, if I'm using AI to transcribe or you know, shit like that, I don't mind that. But if you're using it as like an actual social post or content post, you gotta make it your own to a certain degree. And, uh, I, I feel like maybe we're also a little old school because. I mean, dude, when I, you know, we grew up before smartphones, you know, we grew up before, like, you know, I'm a gamer.

Uh, if I had to, to get through a level, I either had to buy the gaming book, like the, the actual FAQ guide for it, or I had to go online in my computer and go to a game fax website, which came much later. Uh, or I just fucking had to do it. You know, there was no, like, you know, now you could 

Paul Bauer: Now you can go on YouTube and.

and just say, how do I beat this level? And you watch some guy do it, and you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. All

Rob Valincius: Oh, yeah, that makes sense. And but you feel dirty after doing it, you know, you feel a little, a little dirty.

Paul Bauer: man, winners find a way to win. That's what I learned from pro wrestling. Okay. Like.

Rob Valincius: That's true. That's true. I mean, and look, you know what I mean? Um, I, I think, um, dude, I, I see some doom and gloom stuff. I saw something the other day. It was a by, you know, a scientist said by 2030. 70% of jobs are gonna be gone because AI is just gonna be once, once they get to SGI. Right. Super General intelligence, it's, it's gonna be able to create its own ai and it's gonna be so intelligent, it's gonna be able to do things that most people that in these, like now trade jobs probably won't go away much until we really refine ai, robots and all that other shit.

But a lot of jobs, like, I'm glad I have an IT degree. I'm glad I didn't go into coding, you know, I'd be fucked.

Paul Bauer: Yeah. When I, so, so before I started doing this full-time, I was, uh, an IT director and I was, uh, I was managing a, a DevOps team and. I was showing these, uh, some of the junior DevOps guys how to use copilot, which is basically chat GBTI was

like, I was showing him how to use copilot to write out, um, uh, Terraform scripts and stuff like that.

And this, this one guy, he, he, he, uh, we brought him up from the, from desktop support, right? So he, he's very green to, uh, to DevOps and he's looking at that going. Dude, like, no one's gonna have a job anymore. I go, honestly, the guys that learn how to use this in their job, they're

gonna have jobs. The guys that resist this, and they're like, no, screw that.

I'm not gonna do that. That's not authentic coding, bro. Like, they're

gonna, they're all gonna get, you know, because that's what happens, right? You have to move with the technology and if you don't, you're, you're left behind. And so the guys that move with it, they're gonna do fine. There's gonna be other jobs. Of programming ai, right? Like there's, it's gonna create other

jobs and so it's just a

matter 

Rob Valincius: I, like it.

Paul Bauer: adapting, right?

Rob Valincius: I like to call them AI liaisons because you have to learn how to talk to the AI and get it the output that you want. Um, anyone can just ask a question, but if you can find a way to speak to AI and get the output that you want, those are the people that are gonna excel very well. Um, and.

I mean, where are we gonna be in five years? Who fucking knows? But I gotta tell you, um, I'm, I've always been a tech person. I'm excited. Um, you know, if my job goes away, it goes away. I mean, who fucking knows, you know? I mean, but that I think comes as you get older, you're just like, you roll with the punches.

You know, people these days, I feel like they, they stress over a lot of shit that you just can't control. And I've gotten to a point in my life and I'm, maybe you feel the same way. It's like, Hey, look. If it happens, it happens. I'll get there.

Paul Bauer: Yeah, it's like, I don't know. I, I sort of, um, a part of my, my teachings, uh, in my, my coaching practice is letting go of attachment to outcome with things and, and I'll, and, and, uh, I'm not a Buddhist, but Buddha taught that. The source of all human suffering is from attachment. And so when you're attached to your career and when that goes away, I mean as men, a lot of men will unlive themselves. Because they're, they, they lost, uh, their, their dream career

instead of like pi pivoting and finding something else to do. My dad was kinda like that when I was a kid. He used to do, uh, computer programming with the old punch card systems, and

he had a really good job with this company called Mid Continent.

I don't know, like they went under or something, and when, when they went under, he got laid off. Um, my dad was one of those guys that just sort of, instead of like hitting the ground running, going, well, I better pivot now or maybe I should update my skillset. He just went into depression for like two years and my mom was a, a, a critical care nurse and she wanted to be a stay-at-home mom, so she, she thought she was done with nursing and she was just gonna be a mom now, but my dad. Lost his job, went into depression and then couldn't find another job or didn't try hard enough maybe.

And so she was forced to go back into nursing and she resented him for it and she still resents him for it. And my brother and I spent the rest of our lives growing up hearing about how she's the breadwinner around here.

You know that. I just hope You know

that. Right? So believe you me, I heard that for the rest of my life about how she was the breadwinner. And um, it's funny 'cause a lot of guys in my space will. And my, and my, the, the red pill space will complain about that. They're like, oh, if you lose your job, like she's gonna leave you and stuff.

Well, my mom didn't leave him, but she did have to step into the role that she felt that he should have been filling and she resented him for it. And that really hurt their marriage, you know? And so, um, it's, it's a dangerous thing for guys to rest on their laurels to sort of think everything's fine and just sort of, uh, have this. Uh, you know, idea that everything's always gonna be fine in their career and their jobs. It's like, it's, it's not, and you have to be able to adapt and be able to, uh, pivot when you, you know, when, when things bad, things happen, you know? Uh, but it's, it's,

Rob Valincius: I agree. I agree. 

Paul Bauer: not easy. It's easier said than done for some people, you know?

Rob Valincius: Yeah. And I mean, we all get in our own heads, you know? Um, but I do, as I said earlier, I think what makes us human is not what transgression we hit or go through. It's who we are when we come out of it. Um, you know, 'cause we all go through shit. We all go through fucking shit, right? Um, but it's, it's who you are outside of that, if you didn't learn something from what you just went through.

Then you kind of deserve what you get. You know, you've gotta come away with something, right? Because if you just like you, right? You said, alright, I've went through this relationship, I went through another one. I have to be a, the common denominator, right? I have to look inward to figure out what did I do and how can I rectify that?

And I think, um. We as a species, if we do more of that, which we're, we're a little soft these days, right? It's it's little 

Paul Bauer: people love. People love pointing the finger at other

people. They love a scapegoat. And, um, and I sort of, I was, I probably would've been the same way, but I was in the, when I was in the military. Uh, one of my mentors, I have lots of people, I, I, I like to look at as they were my mentors in life. Uh, one of 'em was one of my, uh, recruit division commanders in bootcamp.

So in the Navy, we don't have drill instructors. We have recruit division commanders, and one of 'em was this guy named Petty Officer Logan. I'll never forget this guy. He, at that time he was a pH one. He was like six foot five, just, you know, a hulking mass of a, of a man. Just intimidating as hell. And, uh. And I just remember him always talking about, just really harping on accountability, holding yourself accountable and n not asking people to do anything that you're not willing to do yourself and all that kind of stuff. And, um, that was a big influence on me and just, just having that sense of self accountability. A lot of people don't have it, and you'll hear it in the, in the, the men's uh, red pill space that I'm in. Uh, guys are always pointing the fingers at women going, oh, women, they, they're, you know, accountability is their kryptonite. And women don't believe in accountability and no one ever holds women accountable, and they're always pointing the finger at women.

It's like, well, what about you, bro? Like, what are you doing? You know, like you

never thought to look at how you're showing up in relationships and maybe the reason why your relationships haven't worked out is because you never developed the skillset required to set the tone and lead that relationship.

You ever think about that or No? It's all the women's fault. Okay. All right. You know.

Rob Valincius: I look, I, I, I met a lot of people in my life and I'm not gonna name names where they point the fingers and they don't ever look internally. And it, and I'll be the first person to tell you what I'm wrong and I'm not perfect. And I know for sure that I got plenty to work on, you know? 

Paul Bauer: Oh, we all do the The work. The work never stops, you know.

Rob Valincius: It, it, it never stops.

Now let's end with this, 'cause I think this is important. Um, I have a lot of male listeners, obviously it's the Drinking Clock podcast. There's a lot of male listeners, uh, anyone listening today, fresh breakup, divorce. What is, um, some advice you would give them today? Whether it's a young guy or a guy, you know, that's, that's a little bit on the older side or whatever.

Paul Bauer: Uh, you don't want your X pack. I'm just gonna tell you that right now, it's gonna end the same. It's like, it's like reading. It's like reading a book, hoping for a different ending, bro. It's gonna end

the same. And that, and that's, uh, so when I wrote, when I wrote, uh, the book, so forget, forget that. Bitch. I like to say it

Rob Valincius: I like it. I 

Paul Bauer: forget that bitch.

So the reason why I, I, I wrote the book the way I did was because in my whole time studying this stuff, I had a bunch of guys in that original men's group and I called, I called those guys from the original men's group, my 3% brothers, right? We were all learning how to be 3% men and um. And the idea of that is that there's only 3% of the world's population of men that actually understands women and the psychology of attraction.

And so we were all trying to be 3% men. And there was always guys in that group. The reason why they even got into that group was because they were trying to get their ex back. They were trying to ret attract their ex. And uh, there was some of those guys that wasted years. And I, there's some guys that I know to this day. You know, six years later that they're still pining over their ex from six years ago, and it's like, they just never get over it. So the way I wrote that book was explaining it from that point of view of a guy who, uh, you know, he's, he's dumped, he's hurting, he doesn't want to be alone, and maybe he tries the dating circuit and dating circuit's hard.

So now he starts looking at his girl, his ex-girlfriend, like low hanging fruit, like, ah, maybe I should try to rekindle things with her.

And so so the, the, uh, chapter, chapter one is all about why that's a bad idea, and chapter two is all about, okay, so you're not gonna listen to me all. Here are the seven steps to retract your ex.

And there's a proven process for retracting your ex. And I not, I break that all down. And then, uh, chapter three is like, okay, well now you got her back and it still didn't work out. Now it's time to actually move on. And so then the rest of the book is all about taking time to heal, what that looks like.

Uh, leveling yourself up, you know, finding a purpose in life again, uh, you know, working on your. On your, uh, you know, physicality and, and, and, uh, you know, losing all the weight and all that kind of stuff. And, um, working on your money muscles, game and frame is kind of what we like to talk about in the, the red pill space.

And then now that you're ready to go back out in the dating circuit, now that you've learned how to be alone and enjoy your own company, now you're ready to go back on the dating circuit. Here's how to do it right this time so that you're picking better women, you know, 'cause, uh, a big part of the reason why. You, uh, you end up in the wrong relationships is because you pick the wrong people and you settle for people. And so I, I go through that whole process too. So, uh, and that's just something that we're never, we're not taught this stuff. We're all, we all sort of just wing it. Otherwise, our relationship skills come from watching our parents grow up.

And if you are in, you know, if you grew up and your parents had some kind of dysfunctional relationship, uh, you know, if you, if you grew up and your parents were divorced, you probably experienced some dysfunctional relationship habits, and you

probably carry that into your current day, right? Well, that's, that's all, that's all of us.

And so you have to learn that there's a, there's a better way of doing it, a more effective strategy. And so that's where I, I try to teach guys. before before they go out dating again, this is what you need to know, and then now you're better prepare prepared for it so you don't have to deal with this ever again.

Rob Valincius: Awesome dude. Love it. Great advice. Um, plug yourself, tell us where we could find your services, uh, and where we could find your books and all that.

Paul Bauer: Yeah. So if you go to, come on man pod.com, you can find all my books there. Uh, they're available on, on Amazon and in on Audible. So if you preferred listening to audio books, which I do. I'd much

rather 

Rob Valincius: audiobook guy myself.

Paul Bauer: man. You can, it's effortless learning. You can listen to it at the gym, riding in the, you know, in the car on

Rob Valincius: I have two hours of drive for work every day, 

Paul Bauer: Perfect. Yeah, you can knock out some books on the drive to work,

right? So, um, so get it, get it there. You can also, uh, you know, if you wanna work with me one-on-one, you can do, you can find that at, uh, come on man pod.com too. And then you can also find my podcast. I have new episodes every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Rob Valincius: Damn. Okay. Three days a week, man, that's tough. That's, 

Paul Bauer: Well, I, when when you do this full time, you know, you're uh, you got time on your hands. Right. So.

Rob Valincius: Awesome dude. Well look, it was a pleasure having you on. Um, I'm Drink Clock Pod on all socials, drink clock podcast, wherever you listen to podcasts. And uh, let's do this again after your next podcast, brother.

Paul Bauer: Alright. Sounds good.

Rob Valincius: Thanks man. Appreciate you.

Paul Bauer: Yeah. Thanks for having me on. 

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